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noreply@blogger.com (Budonian) — Fri, 23 Mar 2012 04:00:00 +0000

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Eseza Passed S6 with flying colors!

noreply@blogger.com (Alan Galiwango) — Sun, 11 Mar 2012 17:27:00 +0000

This morning I received some great news from our girl Eseza.
She called me to let me know that she had passed with BBA. For those of you not familiar with the Ugandan National Examination grading system, the credits go in order from A, B, C, D, O, F.

The breakdown:
Biology - B
Chemistry - B
Mathematics - B
Foods and Nutrition - A
General Paper - 3 credits

She was so giddy and excited on the phone. She asked me what I got when I was in S6 to see if she had beaten me and shared with me her plans to pursue a degree in Medicine or Pharmacy at Makerere University.

I am so proud of Eseza Kiwumulo and would like to forward my sincere thanks to all of you that contributed diligently to her tuition fees over the years.
:)

Benefits of Joining

noreply@blogger.com (wezimbe) — Fri, 03 Feb 2012 23:43:00 +0000

Members love the Budonians International. And for many good reasons…

The place to network
Sure, everyone networks, but not everyone can network with the largest group of Budonian Alumni in the world. BI is the perfect place to meet great alums and well-wishers you don't know…yet. Why not take advantage of this exclusive and most valuable resource? Who knows, that next career move you are looking for could be found here.

Very special interest groups
We have plenty of groups that make it easy to connect with other members who share your personal and professional interests. Groups include Lawyers Group, IT Group and the Engineering Group.

Reconnect with old friends
Remember all the interesting people you met on the hill? BI is a great place to re-connect with old friends. Facebook is fine, but with our get together events, nothing can take the place of meeting an old buddy over a cup of hot "chai" to reminisce about the memories of Budo.

With all these reasons and many more, what are you waiting for?

Eligibility

In general, a person is eligible for regular membership if they attended and received a certificate from Kings' College Budo. They are also eligible if they are, or have been:

- a spouse of a member of BI.
- a member of the faculty at Kings' College Budo.
- a faculty member or officer at the College.
- a member of any Board or Committee of the College.
- a student in good standing at the College for at least one full academic year.

Sponsor A Student

noreply@blogger.com (Budonian) — Sun, 29 Jan 2012 20:57:00 +0000

Current Achievements

These are your achievement as donors because it is your kindness that has enabled this to be possible. So far you have sponsored two students already with your support! You paid for their educational expenses (school fees) throughout their Advanced Level of education.

Your Sponsees - 3 so far!

Ruth Mulungi
Maureen Mukhoda
Eseza Kiwumulo

This Fund was used to establish a scholarship program for deserving students at King’s College Budo, which began in September of 2003. Already, Ruth Mulungi, our first beneficiary completed her A level education at Budo. Her success looms as an exciting testimony to BI’s commitment to changing King’s College Budo (one life at a time if necessary) through the generous support of our donors.
We encourage you to continue supporting this special philanthropic cause. To give that you may have a lasting value in the lives of those that BI will touch. Each penny donated will go a long way to change the financial circumstances and inevitably the future of one of our own.
In this section, we highlight the students that your money supports and their achievements.

Ruth Mulungi (2003-2005)

Ruth was our first sponsee and surely she was a gem at King's College Budo. Her mother was met with hard financial strife and we managed to fund her tuition through Advanced Level of education at KCB.

Currently, Ruth is successfully pursuing a Business Degree in Procurement and Supplies Management at Uganda's Premier University, Makerere University Business School. She is eternally thankful for all of your donations that helped to jump-start her dreams.

Maureen Mukhoda (2006-2007)

Maureen was an outstanding student while still at King's College Budo. She participated in everything from drama in Sabaganzi House to leadership (she was a House Prefect). The list goes on but a picture is worth a thousand words, so have a look at her accomplishments in our album below.

Eseza Kiwumulo (2008 - 2011)

We are currently sponsoring our third student , Eseza Kiwumulo. She currently needs Ug Shs 570 000 per term for her tuition and board. We are in the process of acquiring some photos of Eseza.

Contribute to the cause

noreply@blogger.com (Budonian) — Sun, 29 Jan 2012 20:36:00 +0000

If you like the work we are doing, please show your appreciation by donating to the BI cause.

The BI Team Says Thanks
We as the BI team are eternally thankful for the generous contributions that have been made towards the Budonians International Fund.

This Fund was used to establish a scholarship program for deserving students at King's College Budo, which began in September of 2003. Already, Ruth Mulungi, our first beneficiary completed her A level education at Budo. Her success looms as an exciting testimony to BI's commitment to changing King's College Budo (one life at a time if necessary) through the generous support of our donors.

We encourage you to continue supporting this special philanthropic cause. To give that you may have a lasting value in the lives of those that BI will touch. Each penny donated will go a long way to change the financial circumstances and inevitably the future of one of our own.

“Gakyali Mabaga”

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About Us

noreply@blogger.com (Budonian) — Sun, 29 Jan 2012 19:59:00 +0000

Budonians International (BI) is an organization made up of well-wishers of King's College Budo uniting to support the under-previledged students at the hill. Launched in February 2002, BI set out to create an avenue for Budonians (aspora and diaspora) to pull intellectual and financial resources together and help each other leverage our individual talents and visions, in order to create more of what is good - both for ourselves and for others.

BI has 3 simple goals:

:: to support underprivileged students at King ’s College Budo.

:: to improve and modernize King’s College Budo through philanthropy.

:: to connect highly motivated and excellent students to international universities abroad (US/UK)

We believe that given the chance, Budonians could exceed the highest international standards of education.

We as the BI team are eternally thankful for the generous contributions that have been made towards the Budonians International Fund. Read more about the Ruth, Maureen and the children we've sponsored in the donate section.

“Gakyali Mabaga”

Feedback

noreply@blogger.com (Budonian) — Tue, 01 Jun 2010 20:17:00 +0000

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Govt. is not playing around

noreply@blogger.com (test) — Tue, 22 May 2007 19:29:00 +0000

Mukula in jail - http://monitor.co.ug/news/news05232.php
Eh, it seems that IGG Mwondha is not playing games this time around!

It's hard to believe that a minister can be put behind bars for corruption. I guess this is a major milestone for our country.

Now, if only the US can follow our example and do something about that corrupt World Bank ex-President Paul Wolffadfasawessdfa whatever his name is. (Paul Wolfowitz)

Is Semivule Doing a Good Job for Budo?

noreply@blogger.com (Budonian) — Sun, 08 Apr 2007 03:10:00 +0000

What is the role of a Headmaster in Budo? Apart from the basic roles -> Sign official documents , admit s5's.

Shouldn't part of his primary roles be to go around the alumni and fundraise for various Budo Projects? Isn't that what University President's do? Is that what Semivule does? If so, is he doing a good enough job.

How long has the library project taken? What about the swimming pool project? Are you trying to tell me that of all the accomplished alumni that we have, the many that have swimming pools in their homes, there isn't enough money to complete a >10yr old library project?

Should the role of the Budo HM be revised and re-written? Maybe they can take a leaf from Progressive.

Random BI pics

noreply@blogger.com (Budonian) — Wed, 06 Sep 2006 17:43:00 +0000

Kawuma Daniel Collection

DOES GOD EXIST???

noreply@blogger.com (Budonian) — Mon, 26 Jun 2006 22:42:00 +0000

From: Akanga (Original Message) Sent: 7/10/2003 6:24 AM
Hi guys, saw this and thought some of you may be blessed by it.
Akanga.
A man went to a barber shop to have his hair and his beard cut as always. He started to have a good conversation with the barber who attended him. They talked about so many things and various subjects..

Suddenly,they touched the subject of God.

The barber said: "Look man, I don't believe that God exists as you say so." "Why do you say that?" - asked the client.

Well, it's so easy, you just have to go out in the street to realize that God does not exist. Oh, tell me, if God existed, would there be so many sick people? Would there be abandoned children? If God existed, there would be no suffering nor pain. I can't think of a God who permits all of these things."

The client stopped for a moment thinking but he didn't want to respond so as to prevent an argument. The barber finished his job and the client went out of the shop. Just after he left the barber shop he saw a man in the street with a long hair and beard (it seems that it had been a long time since he had his cut and he looked so untidy).

Then the client again entered the barber shop and he said to the barber: You know what? Barbers do not exist." "How come they don't exist?"-asked the barber. "Well I am here and I am a barber."

"No!" - the client exclaimed. "They don't exist because if they did there would be no people with long hair and beard like that man who walks in the street."

"Ah, barbers do exist, what happens is that people do not come to me." "Exactly!"- affirmed the client. "That's the point. God does exist, what happens is people don't go to Him and do not look for Him that's why there's so much pain and suffering in the world."

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From: MSN NicknameBALA_01 Sent: 7/13/2003 6:21 PM
Lets keep a few things straight. Christianity is not a western religion... and neither is it a western concept. We as Africans have every right to be Christians like the westerner's do. And we should refrain from judging Christianity based on the mindsets of those that introduced it to us. Westerners are not a necessary condition for Christianity in Africa. It's between an individual (as opposed to an entire congregation) and God. It's a bout a one-to-one relationship as opposed to "organized religion."

But then, now that we have a better vision of the grand scheme, what are we gonna do? Are we just gonna sit back and allow the blood donation from Africa's veins to proceed? Perhaps it is too late to reverse the tide. Nevertheless, it is better to know the truth than to perish in ignorance.

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From: begj Sent: 7/14/2003 4:12 AM

I strongly agree with Bala that it's about a one-to-one relationship
between an individual and God and that God does exist. So i will not
lead myself into that discussion. However, i will point out that even
among the white guys, there are those who live as God expects them to live
and not all are black sheep. But one thing is clear to me; every man
reaps as he sows.

Joseph

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From: MSN Nicknameiam-w Sent: 7/14/2003 5:59 AM
As sensitive an issue as religion is, it's always not only fun but rather one ends up with a bittersweet feeling after reading through all these posts. However history has had it and the trend still is that we as Africans have either had western culture forced down our throat or placed so much in our faces that we just can't igore it ( LOOK AT THE ROYAL ASCOT GOAT RACE IN MUNYONYO!!! ). Naturally this has not spared religion either, The normal Sunday services that most of us grew up to have quickly been replaced by Mammoth "speakered", trancing Pastored crusade-turned-churhes that have not only been copied from LTV but have also been abused. Don't get me wrong here, I personally am a believer though that shouldn't make me blind to those churches that seemed to have been formed with the sole purpose of minting money from wanainchi who prefer "hipper" services.
It takes us all back to square one. Though slavery was done away with, it still persists to date, the most recent tracks, from the STATES, the most flashy cars, from GERMANY, the sleekest mobile phones ...... the trend goes on and on...... why won't the Multibillion dollar foreign companies grow?
EH! BY THE WAY WHERE'S MY PHONE? AYAAA.. OK HERE IT IS (Have to remember to load airtime) SEE WE ARE ALL STILL SLAVES.

At the end of the day It's One man for himself and God for us all though it's up to each Man to develop his personnal relationship with GOD.

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From: da-pain Sent: 7/14/2003 10:12 AM
Ba guy this is undoubtedly a one2one relationship with God, fact!!!

This however is not gonna stop me from confessing what i have seen and continue to see with my very own eyes....

The white man has used religion to keep Africa where it is.....he has abused this cause, he has given it a new tag, and needless to mention he hijacked it and this is nothing but absurd.

like i said i am a born again christian and I subscribe to Jesus Christ being the true son of God, hopefully this highlights the fact that i have no doubts about God and His existance.Though I am very doubtful of the white man's intentions in general.... I am not disqualifying eveyone's cause, some are genuinely aiming at spreading the good news of God, but I have to confess, the western world has hijacked the religious ticket to fulfill their ill motives especially in Africa, and for us as the leaders of 2moro, i have to warn....watch out and be wise...

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From: MSN NicknameBALA_01 Sent: 7/15/2003 1:50 AM
What I am saying is that we should stop looking at westerners as middlemen in the story of Christianity.... "That was then. This is now!" We were reminded that Chistianity evolved from the MIddle-East and not even from the west. So, if I shared the gospel to people in a remote (undiscovered) area of Africa... say for example Chad or the Central African republic (NB: I have to endeavor to remind myself that these countries do exist), it would not make Christianity a Ugandan religion or concept. For that matter looking to spiritual leaders "whole sale" as middlemen in this New Testament era in my opinion is a recipe for disaster. It is up to each individual to search for the truth. I mean, if Gundi goes to a church and gets ripped off.... he/she has him/herself to blame.

International economics is not my domain... but it is quite evident that we Africans are not free in the economic and hence political sence. Development in the west occurs at the expense of underdevelopment in the third world. We Africans finance a huge chunk of the luxury that is enjoyed in the west. Let us not forget that even slavery itself was abandoned not because the westerners were kind or compassionate, but because they found more clever/ingeneous albeit indirect means of enslaving Africans (in their own land) to the present day. There is no such thing as a free lunch... not in a world where resources are limited. This is survival for the fittest and nothing less!

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From: MSN Nicknamedondosa Sent: 7/17/2003 12:37 PM
Guys, I think we now have two topics being discussed. One, the West vs. Africa, two, if God exists.

I'll side with Bala that it is an experience not an experiment. Let's take death as an example, for those who don't beleive that God exists, if by the time one dies without experiencing God's power, it is already too late for him/her to tell the experience(of dying)!! For me this is proof that God really exists and further explains why we have no communication with the dead, only God knows!! That is why only those who believe in God "have a picture" of what is to happen after death. Surprisingly the atheists don't!!
Now not only death can explain his existence, you all have studied biology. Doesn't the whole process of man's birth overwhelm you!! The process starts with "mere" fusion of fluids, which turn into a clot of blood, only to become fleshy and bornes come into the picture at a later stage!!
Now all this happens in a space of nine months, with an error margin of a few weeks depending on many factors. Surely no scientist before or in centuries to come will alter this process or even come up with an alternative!!! The variations in this natural process whose results are the lame, those with sickle cells, down's syndromme etc...., albinism, should be further proof that God really exists. Besides you all know that these diseases do not cut across race, whether you are white or black, hispanic, oriental or name it. By the way do the White p'le treat their dead in a different way? No!

So to pile all the blame of Africa's misery on the White man, is a sorry excuse for our own mistakes and lack of ideas.

I can't remember who said that Developing countries can do without foreign aid, all I know is that the statement holds some water!! This can be a topic for discussion and Andre could lead us on this one!

God bless all ya!

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From: Ash Sent: 7/20/2003 2:36 PM
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From: bootyful03 Sent: 7/21/2003 12:45 PM
DOES GOD EXIST? no!!
IS GOD/CHRISTIANITY A WESTERN CONCORTION? Damn right!!
IS THERE AN AFROCENTRIC GOD OR INTEPRETATION OF GOD? Not in my life time....

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From: MSN Nicknameiam-w Sent: 7/30/2003 11:40 AM
Nice to know that you are in town Medi. I usually see Isah coming from the Wandegs mosque (which one do u go 2 ....?) just kidding! !
As per the slavery issue, i think i rather came on strongly there. OK let me rephrase .. ummm ..... dependency! and i hope this time you will not also deny it. It's existent and i must say it's not about to go away. It's just one of those things we have to deal with on a personal level. And as per your response of them coming here to tour, that's simply a leisure activity that they can simply do without.
Looking at our side however, in Kampala, the moment you happen to just switch off your phone, if you are married to a jelous woman she'll think you are cheating, if you are in the transport industry (boda boda, special hire....) you will miss customer, if you are on campus and u are cutting lectures you'll miss a test.... the list goes on and on, moreover that's just one aspect. By now you surely must admit that the dependency is more on our side.

When does life begin?? The debate on abortion

noreply@blogger.com (Budonian) — Mon, 26 Jun 2006 22:38:00 +0000

From: ingah (Original Message) Sent: 4/17/2003 9:05 PM
hey people help me figure this one out!
when does life begin? At conception or at birth ,and if life starts at conception then isnt abotion murder?

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From: da-pain Sent: 4/24/2003 1:02 PM
Since we know the law is "inconsistent", can be "inadequate", "insufficient" and possibly take on "double standards", can we just give in to this; one of u guys mentioned, "the blind leading the blind". With such a threat, is it wise to kick God out of the abortion case?. I hear whatever the law fails to measure up to, it is for our good;; what truth is in this considering we [including those who write the script] can all be corruptible beings. Surely should it be the "secular or the religious law" to determine when life begins? though man can choose to corrupt both. If we 4got about the above two and embraced "God's law" doesn't it regard abortion as murder throughout the spectrum of faiths?... If we refer to the foetus as a "thing" do the mothers take the same stand? how we state/pronounce our ages, matters less since there is no standard unit for this, i may choose to mention my age at my next birthday while medi may choose to state his as per the last birthday, it all goes for age afterall, may be this explains the unexplained 9months. How can we leave God out of this, and shortly thereafter declare "we can't even call it a name, it is just in God's hands" which God? the same God who we wanna keep out of it, I doubt He can be excluded. Is our very corruptible nature being revealed in this too, when we dont want to include God when His results dont bring us much comfort but choose to give him the platform when it is all playing in our favour.What does leaving to God what belongs to God mean in the abortion-case? could it mean leaving him to terminate a life at His own timing since He is the giver of life afterall? [or atleast i believe].

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From: ingah Sent: 4/24/2003 2:38 PM
hey
1: no ones life or life to be is at risk!
2: Gali, if the brain dead are better of being organ dornors, then depending on your defination of brain dead the un-born child is even less usefull. ie. cant donate organs.seeing as how both the child and the brain dead can acomplish about the same does this make abortion any more acceptable.

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From: Gali Sent: 4/24/2003 3:39 PM
Ingah,
You are forcing me to argue from an angle I'd rather not but I will go ahead for argument's sake.
The unborn child is infinitely much more important because there is an opportunity cost in this child...who knows..he could be the next Einstein, the discoverer for the AIDS or cancer cure, the child that bring happiness to your life, or for some of you, your future wife. Now for the brain dead person, the only place left for their bodies is to start manufacturing oil (which in itself could be a loooooooooong term benefit).
PS: I'm sorry if I sound a little too cynical.

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From: BALA Sent: 4/24/2003 8:41 PM
What I know is that at least here in the US, as soon as those little babies are aborted, their argans are harvested immediately and made available on the market. This is big business here in the US and it is probably one of the reasons why the LAW favors abortion. In any case, our journeys began at conception. If our parents had been too loose on this issue, the probability that some would not be here today (due to abortion) is not zero.
Moreover, the process of "PARTIAL BIRTH ABORTION" is literally cold-blood murder cause they have to crush the child's head just before it comes out. In that... if the head is crushed while it is still in birth canal, even if the rest of the body has come out, this is not considered murder.

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From: da-pain Sent: 4/25/2003 1:25 PM
I hear the aborted child could the the eistein of 2moro or the discoverer of the h.i.v n cancer cure, wawww!!!! now that is touching, and it can surely prompt someone to reconsider. Am just wondering what the feeling would be if the child is possibly gonna turn out to be the kony, hitler, sadam or chemical Ali' of the days of my grandchildren. Is it convincing enough to use that probability platform to argue the abortion-case or we need to just be still n know it is murder.

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From: Ed AliG Sent: 4/30/2003 6:59 AM
>>"if am in school say S4 and i got pregnant unwillingly(its always so or unwantedly) i will resort to abortion
>>for so many reasons that u all know. Gene people abort not coz they want to but they find themselves in a fix! so they abort.
I agree with medi on the part of "unwillingly" cuz that will be something like rape, right? which is not always the case as my friend medi would want us to believe. But that part of "unwantedly" man I personally believe that by the time someone becomes sexually active they are aware of consquences are to come so for someone to say that they are in a fix cuz they got sexually involved and ended up with an "unwanted" pregnancy honestly people ought to be responsible for their actions. And it is issues like abortion being an acceptable thing by the law thats making people feel less and less responsible for their actions.
>>Now terming that abortion and hence murder might be absurd. Do u think this person aborting really intended to kill the foetus?
I think so. When one makes up her mind to have the abortion they know they have actually made up their mind to kill the foetus, so did they intend to kill the foetus? yes, otherwise there is no other way to abort, if the intention is to abort then the intention is to kill the foetus.
>>it`s a question of fact and law. Have u looked at the circumstances,
This takes me back to someone being responsible for their actions, they are in a fix and no one denies that but how many get into the fix not knowing that it is a possible outcome of their actions and in any case whether in fix or not that don't nobody the right to determine whether another person should live or not (now life has began after conception)
>>and what are the advantages visa vis disadvantages of aborting this unwanted, bastard or child?
>>If u bore such child he will be a bastard in many beliefs and may not enjoy benefits/ rights like the rest."
Just imagine you were that child and here you are given two options; to live a life where guys are calling you a bastard and all that other stuff you were explaining or not to live at all, I guess I don't even need to ask what choice one would take.

Anyway as this thread goes on I begin to see that actually life begins after conception cuz like we all know that life has mob stages and that whole cycle begins with conception so terminating that process whether it is three days, four months 1 year or 12 years it still is termination of life otherwise reffered to as murder in some circles. Back in the day if an S4 girl conceived, she dropped out of school to attend to the new responsibility she had undertaken (this had its own zibs but focusing on the subject it was a right thing I mean you make a choice you live with its consequences just like in many other situations in life)

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From: da-pain Sent: 4/30/2003 4:01 PM
some of us have seen our parents swim against tides to put a loaf on table. It worries me big time when someone mercilessly points out that if ma mummy was wiser and better advised, she should have aborted me. I think this in the first place is evasion of responsibilities and it one reason many people abort. you people, medi and I all know that if a person is determined, they can manage their family no matter the size, wamma medi--am i lying?? and on second thought do you think if someone feared for their child ever living in need, they are justified to kill them...surely???? did i hear someone say sharia; its the best??? honestly no comment for now, ladies first or someone on their behalf!!!!

[[ typical afaghanistan breakfast; heroin, ashes and any other drug toppings, lunch; heroin, ashes n any other weeds, supper; heroin, ashes etc, ;; snacks; opium, heroin and any other weeds....what do these people do when they are high on these substances..unstoppable gene..ba guy can we use afaghanistan for an example for anything good..i dont know let me 4ne a friend, coz audience says no, but am not sure]]

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From: ingah Sent: 5/1/2003 12:40 AM
Is it me or do the guys have alot to say. A non-male prespective would be nice.

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From: Gali Sent: 5/1/2003 10:36 AM
[[ typical afaghanistan breakfast; heroin, ashes and any other drug toppings, lunch; heroin, ashes n any other weeds, supper; heroin, ashes etc, ;; snacks; opium, heroin and any other weeds....what do these people do when they are high on these substances..unstoppable gene..ba guy can we use afaghanistan for an example for anything good..i dont know let me 4ne a friend, coz audience says no, but am not sure]]----->>>> errr..one member in the Audience objects

Assuming such a negative stereotype for typical Afghan diet lives a bitter taste in my mouth and makes me reminisce about the first people that I met here who assumed that before I left Africa (the jungle) and came to USA (civilization) all I used to do was sit around in the trees all day in the jungle and maybe hunt with no clothes on. With experiences like those, I cannot dare assume or make judgements about other cultures until I fully understand them. There surely is a positive example that we must be able to use Afghanistan for....otherwise we in Africa/Uganda might as well have been written off ages ago, what with all these stupid beliefs that we all have AIDS or are starving to death and are good for nothing.

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From: MSN Nicknameiam-w Sent: 5/1/2003 11:08 AM
Gali, It's just so sad that people around the world especially the states tend to continue to habour such negative mentalities about other continents especially Africa and Asia. On a sadder note though back home The former Minister of Information Basoga Nsadhu passed away last night of a heart attack or pnuemonia or something of the sort. Just thought u sh'd know.
On a merrier and more cranky note though, Gali, I don't blame those guys who thought that before you came to the states all u used to do is sit around in trees and swing all day looking for wild fruits and berries. Surely u can't blame them not after they'd seen those long hand and even longer fingers of yours. I'm sure guys who shared the Baco courts with you in Budo can bear witness!

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From: aiee Sent: 5/1/2003 2:31 PM
ingah!!
nice to hear ur view!!!

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From: Gali Sent: 5/1/2003 3:08 PM
Actually iamaw, I do not blame them either. I just ponder on the thought -->>>what-if they had had the nightmare of meeting you instead of me. What with your daily rituals of slashing ( I mean literally slashing here...slasher) your body hair only for it to re-grow in thirty minutes. For years you have successfully managed to hide your wild nature and identity in order to integrate into civilization through the auspices of King's College Budo. But wooluuuff..I warn you, your days are numbered and tinkering with me is only making them shorter, I might decide to expose the "wolf" in a sheep's skin...

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From: lynn Sent: 5/6/2003 12:15 PM

hey ingah,

why haven't you called me back??what did i do to deserve this!!!!anyway we shall resolve this some other time. back to the main issue. i think that abortion is murder regardless when you do it.so ingah call me we shall discuss this later.ok hun!!

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From: Emily Sent: 6/5/2003 5:10 AM
A non-male view on abortion. I think they're three people directly involved in this issue, and if anything is to be said about it, the consequences that they face, on terminating or seeing a pregnancy to term, are what should be considered.

The mom, the featus, and the father - no order of significance is implied.

Personally, I abhor the idea of abortion unless there is a definate medical reason, and even that is another argument. Mothers today, at least in this part of the world, are given the option of testing their featus for various diseases, eg Down's Syndrome, so that they can decide whether or not they want the ill baby or not. Some might aruge that they wouldn't want a sickly child to be brought into suffering. Others that they merely acknowledge that they cannot shoulder the responsibility of raising a sickly child, probably for the whole of their (the parents') natural life.

Some women are raped and choose not to carry on with the pregnancy due to the nature of the child's conception. However, it is not unheard of for raped women to go on to be mothers, and love and care for their children.

In a more contemporary setting, women my age, beginning their lives and starting out in the workforce feel, and this is only some women, that they merely couldn't cope with children at that stage in their lives (Think 'Sex and the City - for those that are views!). My opinion is that that's merely a cop out. Don't want to have babies, use birth control. There's almost no excuse for unplanned pregnancies in this day and age. You can use pills, IUD's, diaphragms, injections (for both men and women), the classic condom, and now the patch! Even when these fail, I think there are other options, adoption being on of them. There are a great number of people that cannot have children and would walk the ends of the earth to raise a child that wasn't there own.

It is obvious that the featus has no say in the matter, and using the beginning of life as a measure as to whether or not it's 'feelings' should be considered is certainly futile. What is key, in my opinion, is the potential to be a human being that is vital. Whether it will spawn into Hitler or Mandela is beyond us. The giving of life is a department that should be left to the God's we serve. However, with that in mind, we should recognise that our responsibility is then to that human life. Nurturing it in all its physical, mental, emotional and spiritual aspects. If we feel that we cannot meet these obligations, then perhaps we should give someone else the priviledge of doing so.

Fathers are often left out of the decision on whether or not a pregnancy should be terminated. On the other hand, they are often known to demand it, of their partners. Most will claim, like the 'Sex and the City' girls, that they simply are not ready. I feel that that is a fair argument, and women should pay attention to this bse the children eventually grow up with the notion that they are unwanted. Whether or not this is a fatal handicap, is subject to argument. Many of us have been raised without fathers and have survived alright, bse our moms have worked desperately to see us through everything. Not all women have succeeded though, and ultimately, its the children that suffer, either by not having their basic needs met adequately, or by having to be stuck in the middle of their parents loveless union. All manner of things happen. The other side of the argument is that women don't stop to think that the father might be willing and happy to raise the child, and will see it through as long as is required.

The younger girls that get pregnant in school, etc,....mostly make the decision to terminate based on fear or what their parents mights say/do, on whether or not that child spells the end of their hopes and dreams.

I guess the point I'm trying to make is that the decision to terminate a pregnancy is very personal and thus subjective. It is important to have the right to choose, but whether or not the choices are moral is not a decision that there shall ever be any sort of universal agreement on.

The fall of DA PAIN

noreply@blogger.com (Budonian) — Mon, 26 Jun 2006 22:33:00 +0000

From: sabiiti (Original Message) Sent: 4/15/2003 12:15 PM

Hahahaa..the big man da-pain giving way at the ticklish hands of a lady. I
tell you. I say FIGHT!! Don't be softening up now...k, i'm kidding

Emmanuel Sabiiti
Middlebury College
Box 4399
Middlebury, VT 05753

phone: 802 443 4572

From: da-pain Sent: 4/16/2003 7:37 AM
Am just hoping someone out there is sure, and in fact very sure of what they are calling "falling". They may find themselves being fallen on, just in case. [am sounding like am now threatening]. Anyhow, withdrawing some of my artillery after noticing that i over-estimated the oponents potential is not retreat in any way. it is just a cost-effective measure. Meanwhile, i am not sure about any young bloods saying it is hard to please some species of girls, i have a mate who did it but unfotunately these specific ladies failed to please him, so he had no reason to subscribe in the first place. from him, i learnt a trick, let them do what they want and what they are good at;; their day job---i.e "feeling sweet!!!". and they will be happy!!! surely if i did that would it be a fall???
on a serious note;;, Zurkov, Ace or any gunners out there;; I have two tickets for the face-off show down tonight at 7pm,[ Arsenal Vs Man U]. I promise to give them out cheap, but to only wenger's fans not the other bogus lot please!! just give me a call, we can meet in highbury b4 kick off!!

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From: zurkov Sent: 4/16/2003 11:12 AM
Very kind of you Mr. Pain! Unfortunately, until my supersonic business jet is off the ground, now that Concorde is history, I cant make Highbury at 7pm.
Honestly the thought of "you giving in to the ticklish hands" is quite tickling! Do not be fooled, the enemy might be faking being benign just to strike when u least expect it. It could be a biomemetric move inspired by this sea snake whose name I cant remember!
Hmmm Falling, falling! Whats in a name? That which we call falling just might be ...

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From: da-pain Sent: 4/16/2003 2:41 PM
sorry guys n gals, i sold the tickets around an hour n half ago. About being tickled, all i can say is "dont trouble trouble b4 trouble troubles you, bcoz when trouble comes, it comes in a batallion." And about the enemy faking it,,now that sounds funny indeed but all i can say is ladies are known to fake it and trust me am "ever-ready" to shock anyone!!
PS; is it "Ace" of spades, diamonds, clubs or hearts? just wanna be sure only to be sure just in case!!

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From: Ace Sent: 4/17/2003 4:49 AM
Were you serious about those tickets?

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The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo.

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From: da-pain Sent: 4/18/2003 11:15 AM
I was serious about the tickets, that is why i wrote; on a serious note. k? but u were late. Unfortunately i only have one ticket for Real vs Man u at old traford and i dont think that is yo kinda stuff.
meanwhile "Ace" n all of her kind, now that i know who am talking to, i have to say, go slow on the young bloods from the school. I have noticed, it's not them failing to please you, but i think it is you acting out of frustration because you are failing to please them, may be that explains the misery and the whining;; asking them to "bend low". [ this is friendly advise;; anyone expecting a Budonian to "bend low", must have to wait, wait, wait and wait, then wait, infact wait, actually wait and indeed wait until they can wait no more, simply because that is not the "lion" in the Budonian. okay sweetheart???

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From: zurkov Sent: 4/18/2003 11:14 PM
DP, are witnessing the sequel, "The Pain Rises"?

Budo Gals being tortured by boys

noreply@blogger.com (Budonian) — Mon, 26 Jun 2006 22:31:00 +0000

From: jaffer2000 (Original Message) Sent: 3/8/2003 3:21 PM
i am sitted here reflecting on my experiences at Budo and one of the things that keeps haunting me is the fact that we guys at Budo in one way or another psychologically harrassed girls. i remember some time i was sitted outside the mainhall and an HSC brethren walked outside with his date after enterte(a kiddo by the way, i think she was like in S.2) and Wai and his wife Nesbit laughed in the guys face and told him that his date was ugly. i dont know about you guys but i am personally starting to feel remorse about these things. guys, we had no right to chuck for girls. by the way, by the time i left Budo, girls were no longer called leopards but lizards. This was because some brethren insisted that leopards were cute animals.

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From: da-pain Sent: 3/21/2003 2:12 PM
Besides chucking being grossly a defence mechanism, I have grown to accept it as it evolves. In kindergarten [am not sure i went but if i at all did,] boys sang about gals [and vice versa] being dogs, stinking, U mention it, much as we also peed/pissed in our neatly designed khakis. If a gal ever tried to join any boy's game, the response would be bizarre, needless to mention the little innocent she, risked being shocked into sense with a "thai-quondo"[high flying kick]. Come primo, the two sexes mixing still entailed its own contraversies at that level. Then to Budo, as we were being ushered into the reality of life. We tackled those wierd paradigms from the "hard-to-undestand" stages of life, the rift between the two sexes improved up the academic ladder. No wonder Aliguma can testify that the comrades now fight to unsparingly bench their "ex-leops" and vice versa. So when you hear I am tying a knot with some Budonian gal that once called me a little bogus dunk, just know that is what growing up can be, afterall I might have also once referred to her as one stinking leop of a jurassic decent. I have learnt to appreciate it as a stage of growing up and it doesnt worry me much afterall Mukyala Mirembe and Mrs Songa can handle the extremes for the gals' case, n boys can handle themselves...........

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From: keisha Sent: 3/22/2003 7:05 AM
I've listenend to this debate with growing dismay. As a girl who went to Budo a while ago, I remember the cruelty inflicted on members of my sex by the male element of the school. The fact is, in Budo, at least when I went there, girls are second class citizens, and it suited the boys to try and keep us in our place by trying to crush our self-esteem with their childish taunts. Whichever way you look at it, there is no way you can justify cruelty by claiming the girls were ugly, or it was done in friendship. the fact is, it was cruel and hurtful to those who had to endure it.Period.

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From: BALA Sent: 3/24/2003 1:51 AM
Guys... some things just don't change..., in that they go way back. Like boys "subjugating" girls at Budo. See for your selves in the New Vision links below:
70 years of mixed schooling at King’s College bears fruit

Budo now a first choice for girls

70 years of mixed schooling at King’s College bears fruit

YOUNG GENERATION: S3 students of King’s College Budo perform a Chemistry experiment

On March 30, all roads lead to Budo hill to celebrate Founders’ Day. As the day approaches, old girls of the school reflect on their time there. Education Vision’s Catherine Ntabadde reports

Several prominent women have passed through King’s College Budo and are proud to be associated with the school usually associated with boys.

Uganda’s first woman Deputy Chief Justice Leaticia Kikonyogo is an old Budonian. Kikonyogo who is also President of International Women Judges was among the first students to join ‘A’ level at Budo in 1959.

“We were five girls in S5. I was very happy. I used to get on well with everybody. I got many friends,” the polite and soft spoken Deputy Chief Justice reveals.

Having attended Trinity College Nabbingo, a girls’ school, for her ‘O’ levels, Kikonyogo admits that it was a new experience at Budo.

“We were good at Cricket. I used to participate in Sunday School and I had a wonderful time. Am very proud to be an Old Budonian because Budo was and is still one of the best schools. When I was young, I wanted to join Budo,” she explains with a smile.

The Deputy Chief Justice who was the first woman judge at the High Court and Supreme Court says Founder’s Day is important because old students meet and discuss their achievements, talk about their memories. She says it is a re-union.

The Justice further says that she used to compete with boys in class in order to get good grades. She attributes some of her achievements to the education and skills she attained from Budo.

Lady Justice Julia Ssebutinde who attended Budo from 1972-73 says coming from a girl’s secondary school (Gayaza High School) and crossing to a co-education school reveals that she was a competitive child.

“I was set to compete with boys from day one when I joined Budo,” Ssebutinde who was there for her ‘A’ levels says.

The judge who once worked as a State Attorney in the Ministry of Justice for 13 years says:

“All the girls were out to survive. Compared to the young girls at Gayaza, we learnt quite early to survive in the world of men and women. That is a contribution I would not have got if I stayed in a girl’s school,” the jolly and elegant judge explains.

Ssebutinde who headed the Police and now the Uganda Revenue Authority (URA) probes says she is proud to be a Budonian.

She says Budo gave her the skills to be a good mother and a leader.

Founders’ Day, she says, is good because it helps the incumbent students see the pioneers. It also encourages students to become like the prominent pioneers and helps the pioneers not to forget the school.

Some of the other prominent women from Budo are controversial Mbarara MP Winnie Byanyima, Court of Appeal Judge Alice Mpagi, Gayaza High School head, Joy Male, Prof. Florence Mirembe a gynaecologist at Mulago Hospital.

Mrs. Sara Ntiro one of the first girls at Budo and the first woman graduate says: “If you had not gone to Budo, where would you have gone. We used to call it ‘the school.’”

She adds that Budo trained students to care about others, do things for the public, school and country but not for themselves.

Though they were 33 girls out of the about 500 boys, Ntiro says that did not worry her because she is the only girl at home.

Ntiro who studied at Kings College throughout her secondary further says Founders’ Day is a day when old students of all ages, different levels of success both female and male come together.

Budo now a first choice for girls

By Dr Edward Kayondo

Twenty-seven years after Budo was founded ( 1906) twelve girls were admitted ( 1933) among them Hannah Wamala (Lule) a former first Lady making Budo the first co-educational Boarding school in Uganda. It is now 70 years since that historical event.

In November 1944 an old Girl of the school Catherine Senkatuuka (mother of Lawyer Allan Shonubi) became the first women to be admitted to Makerere College, the first women graduate in Uganda (Oxford University 1956) Sarah Ntiro came from Budo., in 1958 there were 22 girls , 100 in 1970 and 300 + today.

However for most parents Budo was perceived to be a boys schools which was a second choice for girls who had failed to get into Gayaza, Namagunga and Nabisunsa. A few parents however ef. Katikkiro Nsibirwa, Hon Sam Kutesa have sent all their daughters to Budo.

Over the last few years the situation has changed. the gap between the cut off points has narrowed to 5 (boys) and 6 girls) down down from 5 to 9 respectively. At ‘A’ level the cut off points are 15 (boys) 17 Girls ) down from 15 to 20 respectively. More interesting perhaps is that the cut off points for girls at Budo is now the same as that for Gayaza, Namagunga and Stiffer than those of almost all other girls schools.

The girls have now reached a critical mass (300, about 30% of population) they have passed the take off stage; performing as well and sometimes better than boys at both levels. (The best girls in UCE 2001 got 9 in the best 8 subjects.

This new found interest in Budo is fuelled by our products who are acting as role models Justice Julia Ssebutinde, Justice Leticia Kikonyogo, Hon, Gladys Wambuzi, Mrs Male (HM Gayaza) Late Hon. Betty Okwir, PS Kisakye, Mrs Joy Maraka ( Rector Greenhill ) Hon Winnie Byanyima, etc.

The school has responded by enlarging the two girls dormitories (Sabaganzi and Grace) introducing a vastarry of Games for girls cricket, Hockey, Basketball etc and generally paying more attention to girls.

A third dormitory to be named Catherine Senkatuka in memory of the first women to join Makerere College is being talked about.

The stake holders in the school are baffled by this new phenomenon and have not decided on how to proceed. The Headmaster receives up to 2000 applications for 120 places in Senior one and 1000 applications for 80 places in Senior 5. Forty percent of which are girls applications.

The board of Governors is of the view that the present 1000 students 30% of who are girls should be the maximum.

Some old timers think that 30% girls population is too high and should be reduced.

I am of the view that may be we should expand more targeting a 50% population for girls, bearing in mind that the great contribution the girls have made in moderating the behaviour of the boys and their superb. Academic performance.

The writer is the Mobiliser for the Old Budonians Club.

Published on: Monday, 24th March, 2003

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From: aiee Sent: 3/24/2003 4:49 AM
i agree with Keisha...i was saddened to read of some characters justifying
them actions! i can't evn believe it was raised on this website!

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From: Gali Sent: 3/24/2003 9:02 PM
Medi, there are no 16 year olds fighting in the war. Otandisse okuleeta m'olwaali. Please justify your claims because many people might get mislead by your swaying statements
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Aiee, I do understand your sentiments and where you are coming from, but I am afraid I have to disagree with you when you say that you do not believe that this topic was even brought up. If we do not talk about the controversial issues, they will forever eat us up and cause a divide. Therefore when these touchy issues (which are usually the more interesting ones by the way) are brought up, let us share our differing ideologies because believe me, not all of us can ever have the same opinions on an issue. But that is the whole point of educations, learning to agree by disagreeing.

Now guys, I think we are losing track here of the kellen via this topic. The topic was why Budonian boys chuck for girls and Medi you are talking about the war in Iraq. How about we start a new discussion if your point has a new agenda to it.

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From: da-pain Sent: 3/25/2003 5:46 AM
Medi, are you alright???? seriously are you okay???? do you know what you are talking about?????? kyoka Mediiiiiiiiiiiii!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.

Banange, the gal/boy thing in Budo IS NOT HATRED it is just growing up, or if you dont agree' call it whatever you want to, but the reality is, these same gals/boys, we used to chuck for and used to chuck for us in return, turn out to be our closest buddies later on in life, so let us not make it a big issue or even try to score points using this avenue, I hear, "I was always angered by boys chucking for gals, ha ha ha, you are the winner my don!!! " what do you mean comrade, i thought we've all been there, done that and felt it, though it appears we now have an angel....am impressed Aiee''
Let us not have too much guts to change the Budo, coz those who go after us may not have a chance to experience the real Budo.
Gali, help me translate this one; "Ennume ekula bigwo"

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From: aiee Sent: 3/25/2003 7:00 AM
Ask yourself Gali!! how many girls are talking about this issue on this
site? we are the victimisers and not the victims, it would have been
balanced if the girls were up for it! it is a deep issue especially for the
girls and not just a topical issue for us to rant on about. i did wait for a
girl to say something and if you can read her message u can c that her tone
of speech was quite militant! As guys we don't "earn marks" from out looks.
But girls attract guys mainly by their looks! once u attack this weapon of
thiers u r killing them!! it is a different ball game and once u don't have
sufficient ostrogen in you i don't think you have a right to talk about it!
have you ever seen girls fighting each other? they use words and words like
" u ugly cow!!" how many guys do u see fighting and they use words to do
with thier morphology? they use fists and anges! think about it
constructively! ur testostrone levels autimatically negate u from these
debates! the girls who throw punches have so much testostrone!!!

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From: Gali Sent: 3/25/2003 11:02 PM
Before I even read Medi's response, I shall respond to you Aiee. Naye mwami ayee..kiki ddala? no..really..kiki ddala?
Okay, at first I was really scared that maybe I was offending some girls by debating on this issue. So I did some research which I encourage you to do to. I took a survey of the last discussions that had more than 5 replies to see the girls that participated. Guess what, the only gals that have replied (twice at most) to any discussions this year have been Emily, Ixela, Ksk, Lynn and Keisha. Therefore, that reason which you gave mbu the girls are not discussing therefore it means they are offended by it is not valid enough..atleast not statistically. That means that the girls are offended by all discussions because the general response is the same to all messages. But then again, I might be wrong.
I shall use the analogy of the current ongoing war here. Many people are against the whole idea of war, just like many people were against the whole idea of boys chucking for gals, but intellectual discussions about both issues are really helpful for us to bring out our differing views on this one issue and learn from each other. You do not have to agree with whatever is posted, and not every posting here is completely true.
So guys, like Da-pain stressed at the very very beginning of this discussion board....FUN and HUMOR is number one. We never take anything personal on this site. Go back to the first postings and you shall be horrified at how guys were massacred on the site ( I mean serious chucking here). Therefore people, do not take chucks on the board to heart. Liven up and do not get depressed over these past issues.
I could go on forever, but lemme control my rumbling tongue for once. But Aiee, kiki ddala? Kirabika wetagayo laapu emu ku kasozi kaBombo.

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From: aiee Sent: 3/26/2003 8:57 AM
i m sorry to say this but i actually only read the emails that get to my
box! i think i haven't been getting some of the girls' emails! however i
maintain my stand! katabo is on my case otherwise!

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From: Mark Sent: 3/27/2003 9:02 AM
Too late Medi.It's been done already!

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From: Kezi Sent: 3/27/2003 11:04 PM
My dear fellow O.B's.
We are born to make manifest the glory of God that is in ALL of us.
The truth is that as Budo girls, stunning or not we all knew that we are fine just the way we are.Perfect in our imperfection. DIVINE!
'I am the light of the raising sun
A premonition of things to come
I am the jubilee
Of victory won'.

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From: Elison Sent: 3/28/2003 10:18 AM
Amen!

Kezi well said. brilliant. Indeed we r all "fearfully and wonderfully made"! brilliant!

BI predicts M7 Victory way back in 2002

noreply@blogger.com (Budonian) — Mon, 26 Jun 2006 22:28:00 +0000

From: zurkov (Original Message) Sent: 4/23/2003 11:20 AM
The last few months have paid witness to a lot of maneuvers within the Movement to pave way for an ammendment of the constitution that would remove the two term limit. Is M7 and a third term good for Uganda or are these maneuvers the final nail in the coffin that has been Museveni's legacy as a new brand of African leader?

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From: zurkov Sent: 6/19/2003 10:45 PM
eh banange mwami Kakyama, u seem to have misconstrued my statement completely. I said it in a light-hearted way, no pun intended.(We all know u r war !)
Back to business: the Baganda say kamu na kamu, ke kakola ki ? Omugaanda. So for you to critique my using Mandela as an example may be a little ...
I dont see where his popularity figures into this equation though. So please enlighten me!

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From: zurkov Sent: 7/14/2003 9:19 AM
Some interesting reads from the Monitor.
MPs Plot to Give Museveni 3 More Years
http://allafrica.com/stories/200307130303.html

Can our Constitution stand the 3rd Term attack?
http://allafrica.com/stories/200307130279.html This is quite long but very well written. A must-read for anyone stimulated by intelligent debate! Here is an excerpt.

Supporters of the indefinite term, which has been misleadingly called the third term, have made novel arguments to back up their case. These arguments, however, cannot stand the barest scrutiny.

One justification famously made by Health Minister Brig. Jim Muhwezi was that because President Yoweri Museveni has been such a good and selfless leader, he should be allowed to contest for another term as a bonus - a token of appreciation by a grateful nation.

This argument, if it can rank as one, is absurd. Presidency is supposed to be for the purpose of service, not a gift given in gratitude to an illustrious hero. And since when did the presidency cease to be a serious business, a sacrifice, and became a retirement gift?

The president has himself in the past insisted that he is only doing a service to Ugandans by leading them and would be happier looking after his cows? How do you reward a great leader by imposing on his head a grinding stone - the famous lubengo?

The second justification has been equally untenable. That Mr Museveni should be allowed another term because he is still capable of doing some good. Gulu MP Nobert Mao calls this the Kikamulo argument - that you must not let a leader go until you have squeezed the last drop of utility out of him. Of course even the most senile of leaders will still have some value in him/her.

The third argument, which is voiced with a lot of hedging because of its insulting nature, is that there is no immediately available alternative. That other than Museveni no one in the Movement or the "opposition" is capable of keeping this country together. Of course this assertion is not proven.

Museveni's own presidential qualities were unknown until he became president.

Not even his own villagemates of Nyabushozi could trust him with the far easier task of representing them in parliament in 1980 when he lost, hands down, to Mr Sam Kutesa.

There is no institution in this country for practicing and mastering the art of presidency. Incidentally the very same sentiments pervaded UPC, the very same UPC which twice failed to hold on to power when the supposedly gifted Mr Milton Obote was president.

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From: zurkov Sent: 7/18/2003 8:20 AM
Meanwhile, Andre' what happened to our friend in high places? Was the Budonian lyrical barrage too much for him? Tell him to step up!!

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From: zurkov Sent: 10/12/2003 12:21 PM
THE LAST NAIL IN UGANDA'S COFFIN??
I dont mean to be sensationalistic or alarmist but dont you guys think we are destined for a pre-1986 situation? I have just lost all hope from a happy 2006 in Ug! Does anyone view M7's moves differently?
I will not retire, says Museveni

President Museveni has been in power since 1986

President Museveni has said he hasn’t seen anyone with the capacity to replace him, and as such will not retire.
The President was speaking to close to 200 East African Lawyers at the Imperial Botanical Beach Hotel in Entebbe on Friday.
He said he has looked around but has not seen anyone who can carry on with the vision he has for this country.
Renown City Lawyer Elias Lukwago who attended the conference told Radio Simba that Mr. Museveni who was responding to a question from a Tanzanian lawyer about his retirement said that he is irked by repeated talk on the third term and his retirement.
The President said he was likely to change his mind on retiring if the talk about the third term continues.
He added that as a freedom fighter, he will not retire until he finds someone who can carry on with the vision he has for this country.
He also expressed dissatisfaction with the law providing for habeas corpus.
Mr. Museveni says the law is against justice and his fight against terrorism.
The annual conference had a theme of "Globalization and Terrorism: the new challenges.
The president said the law needs to be amended so that suspected terrorists can be tried secretly.
He said the LRA is not a simple war as people think attributing the struggle to the Sudan.
He said Kony was being supported by the Sudan and Arabs from the Middle East, reason the war is not ending.
[http://radiosimba.com/pages/114152.asp]

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From: MSN NicknameBALA_01 Sent: 10/13/2003 5:21 AM
History repeats itself I guess...

But DzB, you are over there, fighting your own war so that you can live a reasonably decent life and perhaps leave a few cents for your decendants. M7 also fought his war which ended in 1986 (I hope). Perhaps this is one of those times during which we should not ask ourselves what our country can do for us, but rather what we can do for ourselves.

Lets watch.

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From: ralph Sent: 10/14/2003 2:14 PM
Yes Bala history repeats itself but it's imperative that we learn from the mistakes made in history so as to avoid possible catastrophies!!
Its very sad the very things M7 went in the bush to oppose are the very things he is doing, not caring about all those good and well intensioned peasants in Luwero who lost their lives in the hope of a fair , corrupt free, democratic Uganda. The biggest problem with our leaders hs already caught up with M7 and that is ... convincing himself that his desires and wishes are exactly the needs of the nation... let it be flying her daughters on tax payers money to Germany in the Prestigious presidential jet for something as simple as giving birth.

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From: MSN NicknameBALA_01 Sent: 10/14/2003 6:34 PM
Man... we don't wanna lock ourselves in a stale-mate scenario like what happened in the Congo. I am concerned about the collateral damage that might snuff out the dreams of even the simplest child. No one can deny that M7 is a millitary genius... But then again, so was Hitler just before he invaded Poland. Anyways, God bless Uganda.

GM

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From: zurkov Sent: 10/14/2003 8:24 PM
Yeahp, our dear country needs a very RICH prayer!!

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From: Sajjabbi Sent: 10/15/2003 12:42 PM

Hello,

This topic is nteresting. I like te analogy with Hitler. I read "The Rise and Fall of the third riech" in 1992 and decided M7 wasnt the guy to support. I have travelled Uganda in the last year quiet extensively. I have spoken to a rich cross section of our motherland.....the picture is bleak. Listen, a special hire driver in Kabale told me he realise M7 was a sham when he carried a kid to Kabale hospital for emergency operation at 1 in the night. There was no resident surgeon because all the staff houses had been sold off not to doctors but to politicians. Why didnt they sell them to medical personnell? I could not answer.

In Rakai, a liter of kerosene costs three time a kilo of cofee the chief bread earner in an avrage home. In kinkinzi where Amama comes from, a tea company was forced to elect a political operative as chairman board of directors under armed protection as it was called. This guys first decision was to buy a Landrover defender instead of improving power supply. Now Kayonza tea is nolonger the second best tea at Mombasa.

In Fortportal, the best government primary school in the municipality has 1800 pupils. Between March and July 2003, the headmistress received 2,336,900 shillings to run the school! She expected the next disbursement in Novemebr but had to open for the third term.

NOW....AN OLD MAN ASKED ME IN MASINDI: OLOWOZA OMUSSAJJA BYAKOLA AKYABITEGELA????????

Cheers buddies.

Joel Musaasizi (1989-1995)

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From: zurkov Sent: 10/31/2003 11:44 AM
Sajjabi, great ground zero contribution!! Just read through this piece.
This exceprt is perhaps reason for us to start breathing a little easier!

I Won't Hang On to Power - Museveni

The Monitor (Kampala)October 31, 2003 Posted to the web October 30, 2003

Badru D. Mulumba Kampala

President Yoweri Museveni has given his strongest indication yet that he will step down in 2006.But in a lengthy statement e-mailed to The Monitor yesterday, Mr Museveni said he will make sure the National Resistance Movement stays in power "by all means" because the opposition groups have no vision for the country.

"Vacating power for Museveni is not a problem," the President wrote. "I can even resign today if I saw that my services are not required by the future of Uganda or the strategic future of Africa."

But Museveni left no doubts that the NRM will try to keep a tight grip on power in the country.

"NRM vacating power, however, is another proposition. NRM is the only Ugandan group that has evolved a vision for the country," he wrote.

Potentially good idea

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From: Solo (Original Message) Sent: 1/23/2003 6:04 PM

Hey everybody.

As i mentioned in an earlier email, i just got back from Uganda.
While i was there, i met with Semivule and Baka among others.
While my brother Kwame and I were talking to Baka, a brilliant suggestion
came up. Here is what we were thinking.
Imagine the international community, which is approx 100 on the BI list,
each contributed about $10 dollars only per term( subject for debate)
towards raising school fees for those who just can't afford at Budo and are
always being kicked out of class and sent home for not paying up.
Now 100 guys contributing 10 dollars means 1000 dollars..which is about 1.8
million shillings.
Now...most of us earn about 10 dollars ...in only one hour...but now..think
of the difference it can make in a budonians life ..if we collected this
money, we would be able to pay for roughly 10 students who have either not
payed anything ..or those with balances...the common case is that many just
have unpaid balances.
Paying for about 10 students... is a really great thing..i think...in that
.. they will have a chance to complete their education in this prestigious
and good school and make something of themselves in future. I personally
think it is all about giving each one a chance. Thats why we are doing
this...to give those who are not financially able.. a fair chance.
Let me know what u guys think about this.

solo.

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From: da-pain Sent: 1/25/2003 2:31 PM
hey guys, hiya!!!! i am glad solo had to bring this up because i have for long thought many of us had somethig like this in mind.

Firstly, let us not think so big of small things, ten dollars a term [ whereby a term=1/3 of the year = 4months] is not that significant to many people on this BI-link. Infact Solo said, $10 a term, which makes it $30 a year with a 100 members coming to up to $3000 annually but also pointed out that the figures are subject to DEBATE. I personally appreciate many of us may be excellent at budgeting for each penny that goes through our wallets, but let us as Budonians kiss the floor and embrace reality yet again. And if you may excuse me and allow me speak as one of the "disadvantaged veterans" there are many people in Budo that really need a helping hand with financial matters, their problems may not be evident from the faces/smiles/images they wear while at nagalabi. But most assuring is the fact that the administration of Budo wells knows who is in which situation, when, or even why?? The teachers in Budo can tell who honestly deserves the help or even who would benefit from this kind of scheme. Let us trust these teachers this one more time, we trusted them to make the choices about the clothes we brought is school, the topics to study so we could be what we are and i think we dont lose much entrusting this unto their care that they make decissions based on the best of their judgements and thereafter recommend who needs this kind of support,
If we are to think along with Gali and Robbie for a minute, i hear give to the bright and "corsi",talented and the like, how about those that have alot of potential within them but their potential has been suffocated by these financial inadquacies?? In the west, there are counsellors and many psychologists, social workers and the like to attend to a person's psychological needs and help them fight these battles arising from psychological[emotional],social,economical pressures, but back home one has to swim against tides and if you are not Ganzi, you could drawn. Why not give even those that dont fair that well but are financially disadvantaged a benefit of a doubt?

I would find it absurd that someone can make such a proposal but be unwilling to account for any money forwarded to him, Regarding this, i believe the administration of Budo would reasonably consider effectively accounting for any pennies given to them. If we are to fear that our legs may be pulled along the way, i mean am not being naive or arrogant but life can be about a gamble, shan't we trust anyone to do anything because we are not on ground to monitor it ourselves? shall this be the obstacle to what would well be a revolutionary and beneficial venture like this? I am just so positive we can breathe life to many domant or even frustrated potentials in Budo. This is for a nobble cause afterall.
If you are scared your lecturer is racist, shall you boycott the lectures/exams, [ the essence of courage is not that your heart shouldnt quake but that no one should know it does] remember for everything we have to look at the +ves and -ves and see which ways more, in this case, THINK!!!! Bakka had a trademark quotation, "aspire to inspire before you expire"

We know what it is like, to feel but not touch, or even touch but not pertake of an opportunity, a dream that may be just ten dollars away like in this case, come buddies!!!!

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From: da-pain Sent: 1/25/2003 3:05 PM
I appreciate the idea of students competing for whichever money that may be collected but competing under which circumstances, psychologist within this fraternity may back on this, how fair can it be when people are at different levels in meeting their hierachy of needs? There are no fair circumstances within which people can compete in Budo.
When i was i Budo, i had a classmate who had lost both parents, no family support whatsoever, he was struggling to manage at school, and he was responsible for a younger brother and younger sister, he had to make sure they all get school fees from the small shop [ basically kiosk] that parents had left behind, he put a muchuba to make some change from that for their survival. He would leave school to visit his brother and sister, taking them two grand from his own resources. At end of term, he would keep his things at some teacher's house the night before end of term, pick his report so early in the morning before house work and take a taxi to to the sister's school, get her home and then do the same for the younger brother. Holiday was yet another challenge for him, to run a family and take on worries beyond his age's expectations. He never got the D1s like some of you but he would manage to be in the mediocrity of the class, BA GUY, I can bet my kidneys on half my class having known about this guy's situation much as he tried to live a life of teenager/student in class, mess and a parent when alone deep in thought.

There are people who may be dyslexic foreaxmple, have other problems like family problems, that not only hinder their perfomance but also limit their zeal and ability to compete, shall they be forgotten and forsaken??? If anything, people can apply for any assistance but not on grounds of academic perfomance.
what if bright kids tell their dads not to pay their fees because i mean, they are bright enough to qualify for this help, isnt it??
I strongly disagree with academic excellence being one criteria upon which such decissions should be made, consindering 90% of Budonians get to Budo because they have proved their academic worth in the first place

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From: VINE... Sent: 1/25/2003 4:07 PM
Bala,
I find myself supporting your views. However I am afraid we may be running too fast on matters of 'how'. And I think it better if we entrust our resources to someone down there in Nagalabi and ask for ALL NECESSARY ACCOUNTABILITY. I mean ,we cannot do everything! Someone's got to do some work too,and maybe they are meant to do it. Not that we ourselves will be perfect in handling this scheme (remember many now-honourables who took nyondo for simple parties; they could ressurect!) It is definate that even criteria for award of these benefits could become one long debate,as all cases are more situational than out-layed. I understand that in the U.S you face a board to prove your cause; so they can get a humanistic view of your situation. I am yet to know the truth in this. And it's psychologically demeaning to face a group of former-students to express how much you need their money,however poor you are. We are dealing with humans here.
Maybe we could think of how to get this money as the big issue now. For one, I've had to boggle my mind to estimate that $10 is about £6-7.
So?

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From: VINE... Sent: 1/25/2003 4:10 PM
Da-pain,
Gwe, you brought out a lot that our fellow dignified Budonian classmates go through. Eeh, for a moment I cannot imagine how I would cope with such a life if it came my way. Not that I have not had my own battles to face!
Thanks for this caption; it may get us more focussed.

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From: VINE... Sent: 1/25/2003 4:34 PM

One heavy point, Da-pain!

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From: aiee Sent: 1/25/2003 8:58 PM
there is kanyama on this issue!
now, i have been trying to set out a scheme like this for my homeland,
kigezi. it bears loads of similarities with what we have got here.
i will give you a brief of some of the issues i wrote in a report on this
issue and passed it on to some bakiga i know.
the idea was to get guys contributing about the same amount of money we are
talking about here and channel it to help marginalised performers from those
famously gorgeous highlands. the idea was to start off in education then
branch off to basic services and the empowering the communites to be self
sustaining.
the education bit is the one that i want to highlite. i hoped that we could
have system of indentifying pontential via our connections i.e to say
politicians and religious leaders-though we were non political and non
religious for reasons well known to any mukiga-, headmasters, and
headmistresses we know and our relatives ofcourse. i included amongst those
to be considered relative b'se it would be like chatting up a hooker when u
missus is crying out for some! the idea was that we could get those guys who
had overshined in villa schools in PLE via our contacts, spots in KCB and
all these other third world schools like SMARCK,NGO,NTARE etc and we would
fund there studies probably even thru uni. as the program went on expanding
i thought we could pick quality students at any level of education and
support them financially incase they had just hit a brick wall maybe b'se of
peros packing, peros being fired or generally those things of ug.
scholarships could even be offered here, i mean abroad-ask me how later-
as the organisation grew we could also help fellow ugians build models of
our program in their regions.
i thought as per monitoring the colour now as we r still small, we could
share the burden. we get p'ple going back home regularly and i thought if
these p'ple could spare a bit of time we could go thru' the a/cs, the
students and gene sort things out issues on the ground. as we grew the guys
in k'la-returnees- would then be more involved, then we could think about
employing a full time field officer.
however i must say that the report i wrote though i began optmistic it
created loads of doubts in my mind. there are many issues to deal with. What
is kigezi? how about the families these kids leave back in mts? they may
have no blankets yet this guy is living a life of luxury on kawukumi and
posho in budo. there were many issues to sort out.
however, listen to me. i believe nothing is imposible and as long as we have
our hearts in the right place we can do it. hard decisions may have to be
made that may not impress the whole community but via concesus not democracy
we can achieve the targeted goals! i am still working on my kigaland
project!
i am tired! it was a hard rugger game today, i need to rest my body. for my
rugger buddies, u will not believe it but for the first time i was punched
in a rugger game! i was going to murder the guy but then u cannot play
sports in anger.
laters

From: Solo Sent: 1/26/2003 2:37 AM

First of all, i would like to commend aiee on his institution of the
financial assistance program back in Kigezi, which happens to be my dear
homeland too. Any voluntary assistance offered to the needy is a true gift.
Secondly, I wanna say that im really glad that we as budonians are actively
discussing this issue of helping out the fellow budonians and there is
constructive dialogue about how best such contributions should be used. Lets
keep this spirit up.
Then I wanna say that my thinking was along the lines of da-pain.
In my view, the students who are most deserving of scholarship money are
those students who are working really hard in class and at the same time
cannot pay their school fees. What is actually really good about this, is
that both the teachers and the admin. know who these students are. I mean,
who would better deserve the money than those working hardest, but are sadly
unable to afford the school fees.
Gali brought up a good point concerning...accountability.
I think that we ought to (to some extent) trust the school admin. to
distribute these funds to those who we eventually decide upon. and as aiee
mentioned, every now and then, one of us goes back to the motherland ..and
can check personally on how this project is going.
Another thing that we should talk about is...how much do we give....i was
originally thinking 10 dollars per term... we could shoot this up ...and
contribute a 2hrs wage.... depending on how willing all of us are to give...
the more we give, the more people we are able to help.

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From: Ash Sent: 1/27/2003 6:54 AM
Budonians and our mmoobb gas!!!Any thats a great idea and i guess all of us will be willing to contribute so long as the system is trusted. I please beg you guys not to only talk about academics but also Sports, Music and Dramma. What about discipline and stuff like that .I suggest that scholarships be based on general stuff...as you remember Busu's.....whole some education!, otherwise we should welcome ideas from students at school now. I wonder if the computer room is still oparating
Gakyali Mabaga!

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From: da-pain Sent: 1/27/2003 1:11 PM
medi man, Thank you bro, in my opnion anything counts, more or less than $10 according to the size of our wallets, much as we are talking about setting $10 as the standard amount, I reckon it is subject to people's stati. Medi, that is very kind and manly of you, cheers buddy.... am being prompted to imagine you really know what it means to need. [ no offence] so when is your electricity getting back for you to be online? meanwhile i didnt know loadshedding extended to dar' though when i was home for christmas, there was no loadshedding for a full five weeks, bravo!!! or was it some kind of commercial break for UEB???
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From: MSN NicknameDKaw4 Sent: 1/27/2003 4:28 PM
hey fellas,
Medi that's a good idea....I fully support you as long us we can figure out a way to handle this cash (should I say with transparency)..........from the famous history of house fund..........and Kisamba Mugerwa's ntandikwa..there many hurdles in our way but we can do it if everyone gets serious..
..I also want ot advice the Budonian pal who wants to come to the US.... i don't want to cause a conflict of interests but I should suggest to him or her to be open minded...As Ssenyange suggested....just look for who gives you the most financial aid. There many opportunities and thousands of courses u can do over here...In UG we always believed that at campo it was do or die.... Medic, Law, Architecture and Engineering...but that's really old school kind of thinking........the US is blazing with technology and all that stuff so ........ don't limit your chances by only looking for a Uni which offers architecture..u can always get there at some point.......otherwise....I can give the fella some information..just halla!!....aight fella's!
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From: BALA Sent: 1/27/2003 9:28 PM
Ok guys... it is clear that there is quorum support for this philantropic effort. So... Lets do it. If you have not yet registered your information on the BI Contact list (link on the left), this is the time to do so. If you have any problems with this, email me your information at fbalagadde@hotmail.com and I will have you registered. I need the following details:
1. BI Nickname of creator e.g. BALA
2. Name (Last, First):
4. Years Spent at Budo:
5. E-mail address:
6. Street or P.O.Box Address:
7. Years Spent at Budo... e.g 1906 - 2000:
8. City:
9. Zip Code:
10. Country:
11. Home Phone:
12. Cell Phone:
13. Fax
14. Zip

Ok... this is the way foward... Each BI member will identify him(/her)self with a local BI chapter based on his/her geographical location. Each chapter will have a treasurer who will be responsible for linking with his/her chapter-members, receiving the donations and fowarding them to the chief treasurer or to a designated, trusted pointman on the ground at Budo.
One good thing about this system is that there is absolutely no operational overhead, meaning that 100% of your donations will go towards funding the chosen scholarship recepients at Budo. The rest of the details will be communicated to the chapter treasurers themselves. What BI can guarantee is utmost accountability on behalf of the treasurers. We are currently linking with Budo to set in place some sort of accountability.

Now... as for the BI chapters themselves, here is what we have so far.
1. BI USA Inc. (North America i.e. USA & Canada)
2. BI UK Inc. (UK and EU countries) Quick question... is the UK currently using the Euro? If not, we might have to split the second chapter.
3. S.A
4. India
5. Australia & New Zealand
6. Tz
7. Suggestions....

If anyone is left out, again, let me know. A link with the chapter information will be created soon. This is also the time to bring in any more suggestions.
Take care,
-Gakyali Mabaga

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From: Ksk Sent: 1/28/2003 1:16 AM

I felt like I had to say something before the heat died down on this particular issue (and God forbid that it does)... People!! donot even underestimate the potential of this one. With the collective efforts of everyone am sure we can manouvre through the "technicalities"

I've read all your suggestions on how to go about it and I was thinking maybe I could provide a solution to some of the missing links... (its open to debate). A group of us (the majority are Budonians, although there are non Budonians) have started some kind of 'community help group'... our main focus though is disavantaged kids (kids with cancer, in prisons, orphanages.. etc), and we operate along the same lines... each contributes a small amount of money per month then we see how to use it approriately...(we've realised that even the tiniest contribution counts). Although we are only just beginning, when we were discussing our 'projects' some guys were thinking that maybe we shld look at the educational aspect of it, get a few kids that are really bright from local schools.. and pay like for 1 or 2, monitor their performance... etc!! We however put this on hold temporarily because of various reasons... (esp. since we are few and it would be a bit too costly)ok... you must be wondering where am heading with all this..

What I was thinking is along these lines..Since most of us are old budonians, am sure guys would be more than glad to help in this noble cause.!! Maybe we could come in handy when it comes to "Ground work" like liazing with the school administration on issues like 'who is eligible for the scholarships, keeping track of funds accountability ... keeping track of the performance of the scholarship recipients,...we could even interview them and try to guage who shd benefit.. afterall this is Ug. and people are going to try to beat the system. Am not promising much since I havent even discussed this with anyone. Am just saying, maybe we could be the "pointmen" Bala was talking about... You guys set your criteria, deal with the funds and anything that needs to be taken care of... we cld be the go between, get to know these students and advise them accordingly... !! Also, There are so many resourceful teachers out there that you could contact.. personally I think Ms Ojiambo would really be a resourceful person... (am sure most of you just recoil seeing the name) but she is one of those honest and genuinely concerned teachers... we could talk to her and see what she has to say (unfortunately, Ive lost track of the other teachers and staff... but we could try to find out).

This could be the start of something big... if this can work out then maybe we can try to get more people in Uganda involved.. am sure it would be a challenge to the 'older generation budonians' and so many others! Let me not get carried away..., I'd like to know what you guys think and where you think us guys would come in handy!

I have to get back to work!

Later....

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From: Solo (Original Message) Sent: 1/29/2003 2:46 AM

hey emma...just how long will that be ...till every single person agrees on
one thing...first of all..is that possible?

I agree u have a good point..when u imply we ought not to paapa...
but like u sed...collecting money is a hard thing..its also a thing that
takes a long time....maybe if we start collecting the money early enough..
then by the time we come up with solid ways to use it..its already in
hand...

From: sabiiti Sent: 1/29/2003 3:37 AM
Solo, is what possible?
What i'm asking here is not the agreement of every single member. I'm asking
for a sense of commitment from everyone out there who deems this a worthy
cause. With donors that are spread all over the continents, we only have
one's WORD to tie them to any pledge they make (so help us God).. that's
what i'm asking for.

So far what we have here is a proposal... no idea how many individuals
actually support it...no idea how many of the individuals who support it are
actually willing to part with cash...yet, we are talking of ways in which to
use the money we collect.. what money?! From who?! Who's the We?!

From: BALA Sent: 1/29/2003 4:02 AM
Emma... your suggestions will keep us honest to reality and down to earth. But let's also not forget that limits themselves only exist in the mind. I believe that this is a noble cause and it gives each one of us a unique opportunity to change the world around us. None of us can achieve this individually. Yet if we work as a team, this seemingly big task becomes simplified. Just put youself in the shoes of the "might be" beneficieries and imagine just how this would change your circumstances. To what extent would you go to make this happen if you were a beneficiary? So guys... lets give this a chance.

Donations will be received by the treasurers by way of physical mail. In a few days, we will be sending out letters to each member to this effect. If you are not registered on the BI contact list, and would like to receive the posted information, email your mailing address to "Managers of Budonians International" or any of the managers.

Like Solo said, lets get things rolling and worry about the specifics when we are in orbit.

From: sabiiti Sent: 1/29/2003 4:22 AM

Noble cause, good ideas... what can i say, i'm all for it.
But Bala, let us not set off in orbit with a shady craft, we may never make
it back to earth.

From: da-pain Sent: 1/29/2003 9:40 AM
Firstly I think I understand Emma's case, much as someone may have their details on the BI link or even post a message of "this is a great idea/thing to pursue", this may not mean the person is willing to send in that $10 cheque or postal order. So in line with that, I am wondering, Bala are you just going to send notices to anyone who has their mailing address at BI link or those that pledge to undertake the "parting with the $10" challenge. Do you think it is wise to test our commitment at this stage by may be just entering our names in some section on this page, if we not only think it is a good idea but are also willing to make a donation?
Then, Bala asked about this euro thing in UK, atleast England is still using the GBpounds.
And as for Gali, I am so sorry but I dont think it is logical that we encourage students from Budo to give in views on this. If they are reading/suggesting without our knowledge, then i mean we cant help that, but it should not be us welcoming their ideas on this. I appreciate they may be greatly endowed with wisdom but for heaven's sake they may have unrealistic clues about what $10 means to me or even the hassles involved in raising and collecting it. Atleast you may have a more realistic clue just like many on BI.
Anyway, I dedicated the previous days to sketching my $10. so i have it ready, who is collecting it in UK, I am ready to send mine thanks..

From: MSN NicknameDKaw4 Sent: 1/29/2003 2:55 PM
hey fellas!!
Now that things seem to be rolling!!..I just have one thing to say....We have very many members on this list but as you might notice ....not everyone is really on this site everyother day...and remember that not every one gets updates on what is giong on on this site.......so I suggest that since some of us have agreed to do this thing, then Bala..or whoever else is managing this should send out an email to all the members and clearly explain what we are trying to do ........and the full details of what is being suggested. Then those who are willing to send in their ten $$ or more... should respond to the email.....as well as post their current particulars..........
Kawuma.

From: Mark Sent: 1/31/2003 6:55 AM
We need a treasurer to ensure, someone like me!

From: Gali Sent: 1/31/2003 10:05 AM
Gwe MArk,
Do you think this is Entertainment Committee??
By the way, why don't you donate some color to the BI from those millions that you made from Enterte...eh Mark-toe, you guys were like the most loaded guys on campus via enterte.

From: Ash Sent: 1/31/2003 2:30 PM
Gwe ka Katumba...stop cracking! The treasurer is already known and if you didnt know...its me.......why are you laughing then???

From: sabiiti Sent: 1/31/2003 5:01 PM
Ashy is the treasurer..?!!! tufudde!!

Emmanuel Sabiiti
Middlebury College
Box 4399
Middlebury, VT 05753

phone: 802 443 4572

From: BALA Sent: 2/4/2003 10:35 PM
I am sure a lot of you are wondering what's going on with the BI philantrophic mission at hand. We are working on it. Lets not for get that this is an international endeavor. The responsibility of being a continental treasurer is not an easy task either. But as I said... we are working to guarantee utmost accountability for every single penny that gets donated to this cause. Rest assured... once it is clear that we have a working and dependable system, we shall immediately let you know. I'm excited!

Meanwhile... I was shocked by the space-shuttle tragedy... On the good side though, it is clear that this tragedy will strengthen the space program. I will not be suprized if guys start taking vacations to places like the moon not very long from now.

From: Gali Sent: 2/5/2003 10:32 AM
But Bala,
Even as you think on the bright side of things as concerns the space program, do not forget that some people have evil purposes as to try to conquer space. The superior nations like US are trying to militarize space. Imagine what power they could have once they have satellites and weaponry in space to destroy nations at an instance...not good. Take the space program with a grain of salt. Not all intentions are good...and if any are "good" benefits, they shall only be geared to the rich likes of Lance Bass...etc.

From: zurkov Sent: 2/10/2003 8:23 PM
Uhmmm Gali, as a man of the field let me inform u that the ISS is primarily a business like any other. Primary motive $$!! The ideas you present are quite far-fetched given that the US is eons away from deploying the TMD system that would shield it from ICBM's here on earth. The TMD is a "dudu" compared to the space-based infrastructure necessary for the militarisation u r talkin about!
On the other hand a space facility would have immediate benefits for the common man like faster computers and better drugs. Its amazing what one could do in a clean zero-gravity environment! So dont be such an alarmist!

Of Prefects and Bullies in Budo

noreply@blogger.com (Budonian) — Mon, 26 Jun 2006 22:17:00 +0000

ba guy/ba gal

we were getting a bit 2 technical with all this white babe stuff, then the kony stuff and all. i mean we r slowly beggining 2 resemble the monitor forum...however it is a liberal democracy init? anyway as i read through some of ya posts i rembered the budo political tyrants of them days(no offence intended andre, gali, pote and ya all)..men with absolute power,it was vulgar. the worst gp were the s3 subies...oh those fellows!

i recall once carrying chairs 2 busu's gwa on founders day. one guy was approached by a games prefect. the prefect was shouting "gwe wat have u done?" my pal, heart beating believed himself 2 be innocent.he readily responded "nothing" then all of a sudden "paaaoooooaaaaooooooo" across his face. 5 long hard fingers went right across his face...the prefect then said something i will never 4get. he said "gwe your friends have been working and u have done nothing"...in the name of justice wat was up with this prefect?

then those honourable members called hse p's who wd collect "house fund"-biki ebyo? as if we never paid school fees. i know one hse where the hse p never needed viste...he wd just charge boys rent. nga the kids paid through the nose so that the guy cd have a 7up, 3 sumbis and a roundloaf 4 break

now the subees....banage those men..they knew how 2 make kids home sick!! it was no wonder mail collectors who banged "nyondo"(dont ask me 4 names!) were rich indeed..kubanga kids cd write home..remarks like "i miss you all, am home sick and i luv u mum(or nyabo)" must have been common in those bu letters kubanga the subees werelike one ghanian hse prefect in galis pc;powerful(we always thought he was not only the Ghanianian hse p but also e Hp, the Dhp, the prep p, the mess p and even the sabaganzi hse prefect!) anyway ba guy lemme stop here. i dont want 2 burn my fingers anymore than i already have...i think the guys who were prefects shd tell us what happens 2 u when u get power(absolute power corrupts absolutley...how can sch rule number 1 be immeadiate obedience 2 all in authority..?) they shd tell us in the name of openeness wat happens in the dc of the pc of kcb?(i hear there was mob violation of human rights)also give us the side that no one in budo ever heard or cared 2 hear-the prefects version.

From: Gali Sent: 3/4/2003 7:52 PM
Medi you crack me up!!
Who is this Blutaski guy anyway?
Oh by the way, the above messages that are deleted from Medi were all the same. I do not know if you wanted us to get your point by re-reading your messages over and over again or it was merely a mistake, but I assumed the latter and took the liberty to edit (erase) the repititions. So guys, do not think that you are missing out on any of Medi's interesting observations.
PS: Incase you post the same message, you can use the delete button to delete it.

Anything can happen in Budo>>
For me I had a list of my most hated guys in Budo. But the annoying thing is that as you grow up, your hatred for people over past events starts to wane ( I hear it has something to do with those hormones of maturity) Anyway, high up on that list used to be Kanyamunyu Matthew..God bless his soul. Matthew, if your reading this, I got nothing but love for you man, but man you 'nyigged ( nyigg is an understatement here)' us maaaaan. And I want to thank you for that () Yup, I want to thank all those tough subbees, those nyiggist prefects, those annoying bullies for making being a junior in Budo quite interesting. I will get to that later. What's really funny is that in Matthew's S4 vacation, I met him on the streets in Kla (KPC-FidoDido) and we talked like long lost pals. There is a thing about Budonians such that even if you hated each other or it was ur bully that you met, you would always bond atleast until you got back to school. But I digress, back to Matthew. My letter to Matthew:

"We (England juniors at the time) were praying for the day you finished Cantab because maaaaaaan, you made our lives hell. There was a rumor floating around that 'selling' you to anyone, even Bus was useless because you could not be expelled and your relatives were close buddies of his. This was only fueled by the fact that whenever you got into trouble, you were only suspended only to re-appear on the hill like nothing had happened. Even the England S4's were scared of you when you were in S3. So when you got into a brawl with the HP, and as rumor has it, terrorised him, you basically became a 'god' in our eyes ( not a good god obviously). On top of that, nothing was done to you (life can be unfair to an S1).
Ba-guy, what is an S1 supposed to think of a guy who beats an HP and is not even chucked? I tried all methods to get around you but wapi, your trust could never be attained. Mbu trying to kiss up to him and bring him all my kimere on visitte, but wapi, the next day I would be the first junior heading towards canteen."
Those were fun days, even though it was horrible living in dorm, it was just exciting trying to survive through all the hardships of senior one. Which leads me back to my original point of thanking people like Matthew, because due to all the hardships that they put me through, I grew up to be a stronger person, and was exposed to what tough boarding school life can be. More than I can say for the current S1's that I left at Budo. I hear nowadays if you look at an S1 badly they can sell you and you might be chucked by Miss Mirembe....what nonsense is that? Those kids do not know what we went through. Abaana b'ennakuzino tubakuza eky'egyo. But then again, these are just my opinions.

From: BALA Sent: 3/4/2003 10:41 PM
Bagay... I have been reflecting big time since Friday I am thinking due to stress. But honestly, reading these messages is a good way to unwind from all that stress. You guys crack me up...

Gali... I can not imagine you do not know who Blutaski is or was... but I am sure you will soon find out. I mean, how could you go through Budo during the days of Blutaski's and fail to know him.

Talking about retrenchment, upon which teachers was this move performed, if anyone cares to tell us?

Talking about surviving at Budo in S1... for me, there is this one guy, who impressed me beyond all belief by the survival tacticts he chose to use. They called him KIbuuka Wilson. So nga this guy comes in S1. He happened to resemble, TUMA, the KCB HP two generations before ANDRE'. (By the way, TUMA got married just recently). What he did was simple. He exploited his resemblence to TUMA and convinced everyone including the seniors (his would-be bullies) that he was TUMA's brother. All seniors, including myself, accorded a lot of respect to him in return... Who would dare to touch Tuma's brother? Not that I was a bullie... I treated this guy very, very specially and I gave him more than his fair share of respect.

So... just last year when I found Tuma in Uganda... I told him, "Man... you have grown to resemble your brother, Kibuuka Wilson, even more." It was only ten that I found out that this had all been a hoax.

From: da-pain Sent: 3/5/2003 7:47 AM
In mutesa we had a system where S.1's were each assigned an S.6's room to scrub every wednesday and saturday, if your S.6 boss was a kawa guy, you would skip some days without scrubbing. So when I entered the gates of Hill in 1996, I was surely assigned a room of a one "Mugera -something", in summary this guy "nyigid" me with a rather softer touch. He appeared to be a very kawa guy and he would not bother reminding me of my duties at his mini-chamber. But whenever he would reflect his burning, usually after midnight, irregardless of whatever day it was, he would just come and get me out of bed and within minutes i would be "sleep-scrubbing" his room while the rest of the royal household snoared in sweet deep sleep. When he was long gone to Makerere, one day during those term-holidays, i came back home to find a campuser in our house; I hear visiting my big sister, oh boy, he could not believe his sight and neither could I. Anyway, I had the delight of sharing my experiences with big sis and I swear I dont know what followed but I have never seen this brother since then though I somehow felt I could have given him a "lennox-tyson." [KO]
NB: this is based on a true story.

From: kitz Sent: 3/5/2003 11:06 AM
I have really had quite an experience being part of this great Budonian thing.
It is always a nice thing to be reminded of those days when, to do your house work in 'overseas' meant that you had to first rehearse a certain slow 'ziki' lest you were asked to dance away with a pillow. Ba guys, in Ghana, we did have something like 'operation thunder showers' that was introduced by a certain 'genius' by the names of 'war.' I remember guys having to dip there sponges and undies in water in preparation for this great event. But I think that such things are the one that made life at Naggalabi unique interesting.

From: Gali Sent: 3/5/2003 12:53 PM
I could not have said it better Mr. President 2020 , I have booked the post of campaign manager!!

From: Ksk Sent: 3/6/2003 8:20 AM
Guys are you sure there is no hyperbole in your tales of 'the pc and subees'!!!??? Coz this is a bit too much for me...
How is it even possible that you could allow yourselves to be bullied like that.... ... and are these the same people who were actually debating on whether or not they would take their daughters to Budo???? (somebody please explain this to me...). In comparision to what Ive read.... I think us gals lived in paradise on the hill.

Maan ..... the worst case scenario gals end was if a prefect sold you to the office or gave you uncalled for porter!!! Other than that..I just donot see how a fellow student can dare lay their hands on you and its kawa.... (now if the one administering the slap is Pote... and you just swallowed,.... that I'll never understand... ??)

I think we should have actually been debating on "whether or not it is worth it for you child to go through all that suffering ... all in the name of being a Budonian!!!

From: da-pain Sent: 3/6/2003 1:23 PM
Meanwhile, ksk, I know some of those stories can shock you but we surely went through them. The other consoling thing many of us forget to mention is, when we reached S.4 or S.6, we could have also pushed those little ones to the edge and that could have been some fun [4give me 4 this]. It is such a feeling of tradition seeing yourself on the recieving end in a khaki-short and then crossing over to the giving end when you get black trousers. Anyway, those experiences made us what we are now, and infact that raise that solidarity of Budonians.
Meanwhile, Andre' summarised what we had to say in a superb manner. This is basically what I was meaning in my long stories, later on Gali's defence.doc. Cheers Andre' for coming throug for us....
Anyway Pote, am quoting from ksk; (now if the one administering the slap is Pote...and you just swallowed,..that I'll never understand...???) how about an explanation.

From: Adam K Sent: 3/7/2003 10:20 AM
Hi guyz,

So much has been said about the legendary Kanyamunyu who was and is still a friend to me. I want to assure you guyz that if anyone has done a great job of picking themselves up after a great fall, then it is Kanyamunyu; I call him Mathew. Mathew has set his life on perfect course. He worked with FedEx K'la for some time and right now he owns his own Courier Company called One World Courier located at Sure House, Bombo Road. He is the Managing Director. In addition to that, he is also back in school, infact he attends ACCA classes with me.

We should all remember, "Falling makes an ordinary man seem even more ordinary, but the ordinary man who stands up after a great fall and keeps walking seems even more extra ordinary."

Enjoy yourselves,

Cheers,
adam k.

From: ixela Sent: 3/11/2003 10:21 AM
medi, this is in response to ur description of Blutaski. I have actually met that guy, and he may have been part of an allegedly menancing group and even headed it but Blutaski was quite the gentleman when i met him at some hse party. If nothing else, he surely knew how to be a gentleman...atleast in public!
The way i remember it, the other members of the arousasa are the ones that had a case to prove, trying to terrorise the school.e.g the likes of Twagira and Maberi.(and i know for a fact that the former was just alot of hot air!) He may have inspired it but can you prove it really??

Mr. Bakka Male

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From: jaffer2000 (Original Message) Sent: 3/5/2003 11:26 PM
hey guys. hope y'all doing ok. guys, does any of you happen to have Bakka's cellphone number or the King's College Budo number? Its kinda important so please let me know if you do. thanks.

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From: Gali Sent: 3/7/2003 1:16 AM
But Mr. JKKSP,
Snoopy has done an extensive background check on you and our sources reveal that the stories about you are worth a million for newvision's column>>"Have you heard". I remember/respect you for one thing among others, you are the only one guy that sustained the longest relationship I have ever known in Budo. Usually guys would get knived but you seemed to have some magic staying power with 'Mrs'. But let's not get into that now.
Snoopy has a more controversial story about the night of the lion/leopard/cheetah/ Kimbowa's goat...u name it. We have witnesses that saw you protect the Budo students by correspondence. Please tell us how you were mistakenly misplaced at the library when this event was going on because I am sure that there is no way you could have run that fast to the library...there is just no way....unless ofcourse you were that scared.

From: da-pain Sent: 3/7/2003 9:04 AM
Comrade Kigongo, I just want to make one thing clear, account in UK was opened. May be what you would also need to know is; it was not as easy as you think. Firstly because we need to register this as a charity/non-profit making organisation. I have been doing some homework around this and it appears, many things call into play. yet we had kept our level of operation a simple one, just collect the cash and pass it on. But in the wake of 9-11, banks are keen to get the A-Z of any money that passes through their hands. So we are doing some final touches, though as a reminder. The BI- UK account is open and running, if you want the address, and details I am comfortable to give them to you and i hope everyone is alright with this; Bank address; Yorkshire Bank, 42-44 Woodhouse Lane, Leeds, West Yorkshire LS2 8LX;A/c name; BUDONIANS INTERNATIONAL, A/c No; 40615822, sort code; 05-00-58. So however comfortable you feel to make your donation, please feel free. You could set up standing orders if you wished to, or you can send your cheque to my address and i bank it at branch. I also think you could do electronic transfers online if possible. Needless to mention, we advise against cash donations in the post. About you sending your cheque directly to the bank, am not sure!!..Acknowledgement of every penny donated shall be made and all money accounted for before everyone.If anyone questions anything, they have a right to access any information relating to the BI accounts at any one time. for UK you can contact me and I will get you the statement and any accountability from the bank and any relevant information. So far, there has already been some little money into the UK account and that is where we stand.
Meanwhile, it is great guys are linking, kawuzi, kitayimbwa and the like, Kigongo, get your gun loaded the kids are making noise I hear about yo mrs....and yet i hear one of those kids, in their S.1, felt sweet enough and tapped a munyiggo from kayongo alice in house harreee, she smiles at the "nyungu" and asks for the kid's birth certificate, when the guy blushed, she was polite enough to remind him that Bombo would smack him coz his "abacus homework from smea one" was long overdue....kyoka you kids, nze me i just chill stuff...but i hear the kid dared further on and tampered with sewagude magie', she gave the kid one look and the kid went out to prepare for roll-call.

I hear that Bakka was transfered to Kako as headmaster. I will try to get details of the transfers and Bakka's contacts soon. Nice day lads and lasses.

From: Emily Sent: 3/7/2003 9:37 AM
I haven't viewed the website for a while, so I'm a bit fuzzy on this kitty we're setting up for BI.I know it's very much in it's infancy, but is there anyway the organisers can arrange for a proper mail out, rather than the MSN reminder? I tend to skip that in my emails, bse it' more often than not, kabozi. I think it would be easy enough for someone to commit to some sort of secretarial duty, and if there isn't anyone already, I'm willing to offer my time, as long as there's clear and prompt communication from the people that appear to be leading this thing on.

I'm particularly concerned about the girls, and I'm miffed that once again, there seems to be a gender-based dichotomy to anything Budonian. If any of the girls would like to actively participate in any of this, please get in touch with me, so that we can get involved. Izela! I know you're reading this, so don't even try to pretend. Kitami, we've already seen your organistional skills in action, so I'm looking foward to hearing from you!

From: Adam K Sent: 3/7/2003 10:00 AM
Hi guyz,
I was just wondering whether someone could give us a summary of the schools performance at O level and also tell us which teacher was transfered to which school.

Enjoy your weekends.

Cheers, Adam K.

From: ixela Sent: 3/11/2003 10:01 AM
emily whats your problem? u know that although i may not have posted anything i am a keen "supporter of BI". ok abt the bank account am sorry but da-pain, who exactly are you. i think as treasurer, which is what ur role seems to be, you could properly introduce urself, all these nick names don't give us enuff to go by. could you also pse update me on how this budonian fund is supposed to work exactly?

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From: Mark Sent: 3/12/2003 6:04 AM
Gwe Medi, whatsup??It seems you are mob excited.When you send the same message about 5 to 6 times, do you want us to know how you really feel about that federo stuffoba the PC was playing with your head??Relax mwana, our space!!

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From: Gali Sent: 3/12/2003 9:32 AM
Hahaha,
Nice point Mark...lol.
For real Medi, this is the fourth time you are falling victim of spamming our inboxes.
However guys, I found out that if you want to reduce this problem of your inbox filling up, you can change your email settings once you come to the website. Or just click on
My email settings
This will give you the option of whether you want to read your messages online or you want them delivered to your inbox. But I suggest you read them online to avoid getting your inbox filled up. Adios

Where ma ladies at?

noreply@blogger.com (Budonian) — Mon, 26 Jun 2006 22:03:00 +0000

From: Emily (Original Message) Sent: 4/29/2002 2:55 PM
Asha, Kristina, Kitami, Lynne (and I'm assuming you're Ruth's Lynne Bagazonzya), and all the other ladies!

None of you's saying a word! Is it that you don't find the Isreali-Palestinean conflict scintillating?! Or is the whole Kazibwe talk dampening the mood? Don't want to talk about AIDS, the 'good old days' in Budo (depending on who you were)? Are you too busy? C'mon.

Say something,...If you feel like talking about beauty tips (Pretty!),.. then sort something out! ha! Whatever the case may be,..don't be shy! It's a free world we live in,.... and pse don't say you're just as free not to participate,.. I kind of figured that out!

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From: Emily Sent: 5/2/2002 2:03 PM
KITAMI!
How nice of you to write back! This has lots of promise if we all participate,... I'd forgotten about the water being poured on you guys,.. I actually think Jordan had something to do with that! He should tell us, except I don't think he'll read this message,.... I think we'll post it on one of the message boards and find out the exact truth! That might be interesting,.....

I'm glad you'd send your daughter to Budo! Though your intentions are wicked! She will learn though,..I think Budo made us 'bigger' women. It must have been harder for the newer girls, but I think I had the time of my life and like I said, I wouldn't trade it for anything else!

Get some of the other girls to write! So much for being ladies!

From: BALA Sent: 5/3/2002 1:08 AM
Kitami!
Quoi de neuf? Tu es ici chez toi! Siot la bienne venu. Je suis tres heureux de refaire ta connaisance! Est-ce que tu te rapelles les pieces de theatre farancaises a Budo.. en particulier LA FETE et la chanson "Vive le Dimanche"? Eh... Madamme Senkubuge. I vividly remember how we used to go to Kitante hill for those french plays, knowing well that we were going to grass... not with those gyza people.
Anyways I appreciate your complement! But as they say, "Gakyali Mabaga" bubaga.
A la prochaine!

From: Pote Sent: 5/10/2002 3:17 AM
Hey Bala, it doesn't help to get a French dictionary and write out messages to Kitami. We all know you know just a l ittle French! And besides, Kitami will not be able to comprehend, even with a dictionary!!! She has changed, she is not that bright gal of dem days.

Hi Emily. Are you still .................... or have you changed?
Guys, be kawa, I know you are all wondering what I am talking about but chill!!! It is between Emily and I.
I just had to pass it on with all you pals wondering wzup.

From: Emily Sent: 5/13/2002 5:16 PM
Well, well Paul,
I'm even more ............., as you ever so delicately put it! I hope you're doing fine yourself.

I'm glad that you mentioned that Kitami and I came to 'break our hearts to you', I think you're just the person to explain to the non-believers that life at Budo can be hard for girls, but we do make it through! And you know just how hard it can be,... no one has it easy!

Do tell,...

From: BALA Sent: 5/13/2002 5:50 PM
I guess I my vote for sending my doughter to Budo has changed.
On second thoughts, if I am to take my daughter to Budo, I will have to start her on Calculus in p3.
By p5, she should know how to solve Green's function for simple physics settings and by p7, she should be able to solve the Time-Dependent Schrodinger Equation (TISE) in her sleep.
I guess a black belt in addition wouldn't hurt.

From: WIS Sent: 6/9/2002 4:51 PM
Hey Bala,
This idea of having your daughter do calculus at such an early age is quite interesting my friend. Though it keeps my mind wondering what kind of set back might arise. .. Hmmm.. maybe implosion due to the vast pressure levied unto her. Well great insight there ma boy but think of the lil mind you are messing with.
Well i guess this sure is my first posting here and i'd like to say hello to all the budonians out there. And emily, i sure havent spoken to you in quite sometime. That last we spoke was at you place (Dr. Munini) Well let me me know how you are doin.
later all
Ismail
p.s. My daughter is going to BUDO for sure

From: MSN NicknameBALA_01 Sent: 6/10/2002 2:00 AM
Hi WIS...
Of course there would be a lot of planning and strategy involved. One of my colleagues started on Calculus in P5... Man, this guy is a genius. Sylvester Gates, there father of Super Symmetry (SU-SY), became acquainted with Shrodinger's Equation when he was only 8 (Eight) years old... Man... that's P2. Honestly, what would a P2 kid be doing with Schrodinger's equation?

So, I believe that such situations can always be arranged....
Check on me in about 20 years.

From: WIS Sent: 6/18/2002 12:28 PM
Get real,
That was then .. no need to look into theoast now my friend. Kids here and now just dont take too much time in looking into such matter unless totally conditioned to doing so. Well with technology coming up my friend, they will be interested in that rather than try to invent their own calculus equations. Its all done and simplified.
But i'll have to hand it to you .. we need to get our kids started early or else those lil minds wont be able to think for themselves
later

Kony

noreply@blogger.com (Budonian) — Mon, 26 Jun 2006 22:01:00 +0000

From: Solo (Original Message) Sent: 7/29/2002 3:43 PM
Baguy..

this guy has now over done it.
He kills 48pple in the north children and old pple..in some cases making the parents smash the heads of the kids to death.
A few questions for this man.

How can such action show that he is the man to lead Uganda?
Is he trying to topple the government or just to terrorize pple...his own pple?
Is he insane?
Does he deserve peace talks really?

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From: BALA Sent: 7/29/2002 5:40 PM
The only rational reason I see to arrange peace talks with Kony is to capture him sort of by surprise.... a colonial tactic that the British used to subjugate resilient Afriacan societies.
It would take a lot of humility for a legitimate government to hold peace talks with a guy like Kony... but if it is in the best interest of the people, it's worth the try.

I think Kony does all that to attract international let alone national attention.... Let's not even imagine Kony leading Uganda. This would be a natural disaster.

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From: Solo Sent: 7/30/2002 3:03 PM
HI Bala

You mentioned that Kony does such things to attract international and national attention. I think he is definitely getting such attention. But, is this attention to his benefit, considering how he is getting it?
If he is trying to gather some sort of foreign support, he is doing it the wrong way.
I wonder if he realizes this. The whole world has stepped up its fight against terrorism.

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From: Solo Sent: 7/30/2002 3:08 PM
http://www.newvision.co.ug/detail.php?story=47243

Hits again!

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From: BALA Sent: 7/30/2002 7:15 PM
Looking at things from Kony's perspective: Whether or not Kony's cause makes sense, he has to fight to the death. This is his lifeline. As long as he sticks to his guns, he will earn a "decent" living and be feared by many of his unfortunate victims.
I am sure all countries have international enemies... and Uganda is no exception. The attention Kony gets from Uganda's enemies I would reason is beneficial to him.

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From: ashy Sent: 8/8/2002 10:29 AM
I personally think kony should be talked to. I mean if govt has failed to fight him, why cant they try other means.... talks.....it might just work..what do you guys think?

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From: da-pain Sent: 8/9/2002 12:00 PM
yeah yes , i think this guy should be talked to; honestly it is only sensible that we do not rule out all possible avenues of tackling this northern crisis.. if plans A, B & C failed, why not try another plan for the sake of those perishing....................

Meanwhile, Solo, i am inspired by that piece "museveni slams aid.....". With such ideas, i dream we can hope for African solidarity to such adorable levels, though Gadaffi's latest stunt scares the "role model position" i had for him.
By the way, am waiting to see what this Saddam Guy has to offer, bearing in mind that I cant help being less optimistic after Alqaeda alone proved such a hurlde for the "super-power" let us wait and see...though "when two elephants fight, it is the ground that suffers

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From: eisah Sent: 8/18/2002 8:28 AM
KONY!! Well, it is the problem of the Govt. 4 not giving him enough attention!!
Guys, look @ the att. that was given to ADF, plus those funny rebels that were in Mukono sometime back.
If only the govt. had worked on him first time, he would be no problem.
He is getting used to it; I mean: I capture a few teenage girls, burn down villages and ambush a Red Cross Convoy and guess what?-M7 is easy!!!
So, I suggest that as much att. is given to him.Do what was done to ADF-Go to Sudan( if that is what it is to take), though this time there will be no gems!!
Talking to him-it was tried by Bigombe and Co. The guy never listened!
That's it Folks!
Kyakonye

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From: BALA Sent: 8/18/2002 11:09 PM
Kony might have been undermined earlier on, however, "THAT WAS THEN, THIS IS NOW". I am of the view that we are dwelling too much on PAST events. Whatever hapened in the past happened, fortunately or unfortunately. At present, Kony is slaughtering Ugandans and threatens to distabilize or divide the entire country.

Welcome back Gali

noreply@blogger.com (Budonian) — Mon, 26 Jun 2006 21:57:00 +0000

From: Gali (Original Message)Sent: 7/26/2002 2:01 PM Hi guys,
Since everyone seems to be unleashing pompous introductions, I will be different and try to make mine as short and simple as possible:)
I am Alan Galiwango. I was in Budo from 1995 till 2000. I held various posts like Headprefect and played various sports like basketball while there. I have been missing in action from BI and it feels like I'm a new member all over again.
I was lucky to go to Uganda this summer for about a month(May-June) and boy was it wonderful to be back home. While there I attended the Sports day at Budo and boy, was it pathetic. I mean, despite the fact that England house came on top(as usual), there was a severe lack of enthusiasm among the students for the whole thing. There were hardly any celebrations when the winner was announced. You remember how the whole school from the winners to the losers would go buckwild when the results were announced that day..well..it did not happen this time. Maybe it was the lack of advertising for the event that caused the poor turn-up for the event. I would have missed the big-day myself had I not visited the hill a weekend before, I mean, it was not announced on the radio at all. Therefore there was a very poor turn up of Old Budonians for the whole event. Budo is changing my friends. With a new headmaster in place, things are not the way they used to be. There are new rules in
place.
- The last supper, u remember that meal when candidates would dress all skimpy (esp if they were gals) and smart. Well, it is now supposed to be in uniform.
-The gals are going to start wearing socks..yes..I mean socks for gals. I feel sorry for the students on a hot day, they now have to deal with mugere from both guys and gals..hehe
-Girls are being suspended like no-man's business. I hear as long as Mukyala Nkambwe sells you, you go home. The teachers' word is now final, unlike the days of Bus when students would have a say too.
-Budo has now aquired a school band...interesting
-Sports and games>> rugby is going down the drain. Budo is no longer the power to reckon with what with the loss of potential stars like Kibombo Harrison.
>>The basketball team is still young and needs to learn to play together. We had a game with them(OBs) and despite our serious lack of form/fitness...we beat them.
-And noooo the library is not near complete guys..I wonder if it ever will get completed
-Gaster house was renovated....I hear new windows....I personally think they need to knock it down totally and build a real dorm for the poor gals.
-Reverend Bombo is still alive..and yeah..still crazy...he almost chased us(OBs) around too while he was whipping students.. This is just the tip of the iceberg as concerns of what is going on at the hill. Physically the place looks marvellous esp. infront of the chapel. There is grass everywhere and the old bus park is history. I did not hear any complaints from students about the meals..I hear having posho twice a week is just a myth. The Mess standards have drastically improved.

There a lot more about Budo that I would love to talk about..but I will stop here cos I dont wanna write a novel.
I missed BI while in Uganda...not that there was no internet..but I was officially on holiday and did not want to get into any internet addictions like this.
Hope to hear from you all.
PS. By the way, I met Mr. Busulwa in town (Kla) one day and we talked for hours. He is fine and sends his greeting to y'all. I will save his kelens for another time.

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From: BALASent: 7/27/2002 4:43 AM Welcome back Gali...
It is just so refreshing to get a first hand report about the Hill. So England came out on top! That's great. So... Budo has changed!

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Nice to hear that ur back. Hope u had fun in UG.
Man I feel sorry forthe gals wearing socks allover the place...something tells me that was a classic Mirembe idea.
...oh and now school uniform on last super...geeez.
they are about to make them wear uniform for entertainment.

Yo joking, socks, my God!! that sounds like some new school out there;; I hope that crazy suggestion is not editted to stockings, coz that will be indeed very vulgar..

now the uniform thing for last supper, sounds "ultimate lack of ideas" and the suspension pandemic is kinda heartless, i so think.. the library stays in my prayers...
though the new band sounds cool though,,

anyhow, now u Andre' what do u mean???? R alright??

in Discussion From: BugoSent: 7/29/2002 9:28 PM Hi Gali, welcome back from home.Good that u had fun at home how i envy you!!!It was so nice of you to tell us what was going on at the hill.Man i guess my year enjoyed the last of everything except we did not escape the ties in Ms. Kayaye's class.!!!! I can't even imagine those babe's in black socks the whole day.I can bet you that was Waibi and Mirembe's idea!!Those chicks!!!!

Congs though to England house!Am almost sure Grace came second in the girls league!!!

Till next time.Peace out!!!
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From: aieeSent: 8/12/2002 2:53 PM yes budo has changed....for me the most interesting of all changes was the new aussie showers.yes u can laugh all u want,rumour has it that they r warm water showers,however them young aussies have still failed to realise that showers actually exist behind the old workshop.
i agree with gali sports day was a no show!!!! but being there after three yrs i recalled the front of chapel was never a forest of flowers!!! now however it is!! i think there was 2 many flowers! that is all i saw as i went up the hill on business due to the still hardy Mrs Ssonga. we had a burial and the kids from buddo returned a few hours late to the school...the babe had the nerve to send them back home, we had to go up and beg!! wasn't funny and not the kind of return to my old hunting ground i had hoped for.I thank God i was nobody.she didn't recognise me!!
this was my second time back home in 3yrs but i was still struck by the change in society...sebuwufu reads news, all the ninjas u c on telly r either ogs or obs, kellens we used to slap in h'se r now gossip "column stuff" i mean those kings and queens are the Bomb!! was impressed! respect!

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From: PoteSent: 8/13/2002 9:05 AM Hi people.
I am still in Uganda, where I will live FOREVER.
I think Gali's 'short message' was very interesting. I know I enjoyed it.
The only thing that surprises me is the fact that all you guys are waiting for Bombo to die!
I cannot believe that.
In one sentence Gali wrote, "Reverend Bombo is still alive" .
Do not worry though, I am not alarming anyone.

I hope u pals are all still alive......... aiee, Bala, Solo, EMILY, ETC.
Just keep writing.

By the way, aiee, you were not a nobody. It was just hard to see you in the night. Otherwise during the day you really made a great impact on the light intensity in any area. Thank you very much for your great qualities.

I'm out.
Pote.
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From: aieeSent: 8/13/2002 4:30 PM nice 2 hear from u Pote...how is MTN? it is great to hear from u!! atleast someone noted me despite all the difficulties i posed with my features especially the my deep chocolate colour.
Gakyali Mabaga!

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From: MartoSent: 8/14/2002 12:43 PM

Aiee musajja wange if this is where i have to get you well and good so where did you get all that matter from the 60's and all i am beginning to doubt your age!

anyway i just want to greet y'all on this site and say well it's a groovy thing and all and take care.i will be communicating in due course.

God bless and take care But what has really amused me about Budo is how the kids are proving to be more stubborn than in our days!we used to call Mr.Busuulwa buus BUT now the kids call the new h/m who is Mr.Semivuule TIMBALAND!!!!!!!!!now for those of you who don't see the joke sorry for not doing the LOGIC no. in GP!OVER and OUT

World Cup 2002

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From: Solo (Original Message) Sent: 6/16/2002 4:51 AM

Man u guys...these boys are going all the way.
eh...man sweden barely touched the ball.
These guys have a realistic shot at world cup glory!!!!!!
MWANA SENEGAL ALL THE WAY!!!

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From: Junior Sent: 6/16/2002 5:00 AM
Well,
Not into soccer, but I had to sit and wait for this match!!!!!!!
Am impressed. You guys am changing my name to "Camara" for today.
All the way!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Junior.

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From: D.K Sent: 6/16/2002 3:20 PM
Senegal all the way bros!!..................I think though Diouf was the man of the match!!! camara just finished off the fools!!!! I think though Mexico should beat the U.S
cheers!!

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From: Habeeb Sent: 6/17/2002 11:49 AM
Its getting ridiculous, everyone at work is supporting england except me,..i am obviously positive that senegal will go much further than england, lets bet, brazil wins 2-1 onfriday and sengal will win the next team they meet 1-0, any doubts??

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From: Solo Sent: 6/17/2002 4:38 PM

hi habeeb long time
Man I have to say that Iam facing a crisis of loyalty if there is a
semifinal showdown btn Senegal and England.
I have decided to just enjoy balo on that day and side with the whoever the
winner is when they go into the finals.

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From: BALA Sent: 6/18/2002 5:25 AM
Hi Habeeb....
Long time... I can not resist to remind you of those times at Budo... starting from the AIDS poem in my S1 via the "clay man" to the England upstairs "cubical" in your S5. More than five years ago!

So bagay... Nze I am putting all my money on Senegal. I am convinced that this cup is already in their bag. Japan played crappy soccer... let's see what happens to South Korea.

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From: Elison Sent: 6/18/2002 9:49 AM
i must say it is ssseennnneeggggaalll!!! all the way everyday. bala i must congraculate u..u chose em from day 1. they r one great side. the sweedes say they never knew henri camara b4 the match and they will never 4get him. well neither did i and neither will i. the fadiga, khadiga, thiaw, cole, henri camara, elhadji diouf connection is gonna send shock waves through some spines...i cant wait to say ssseennee-goooaaaalllll!!!!!!!! watch this space

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From: Habeeb Sent: 6/19/2002 9:28 AM
Hi Bala,
let me hope it is balagadde, those were good memories, i do remember the clay man....that was a funny one, its so sad that i hardly can trace any of budonian friends, even the ones i shared a class with, in life you do choose to try living alone and it seems to be working, i gather you are in California, i do visit family there though they livein Stockton, near sacramento/sanfrancisco; well back to football, i hate the english bse everything about football here is david beckham, i wish brazil beat them so hard and so sound, i am only praying for that to happen,
keep in touch: habeeb@mukasa.net

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From: da-pain Sent: 6/20/2002 10:41 AM
yiiyii, habeeb, nawe!!!!!!!! I dont have that much of a thing for the English team but atleast i am not praying they are beaten by a team everyone knows is too good!!!
didnt u read the papers, it appears if all goes well we can land another "improvised bank holiday" on July 1st, atleast Ralph and I dont mind that, am sure you are thinking about that thing of twice as much..yiyi habeeb gwe ani atayagala kufunira mukavuyo..meanwhile, u have the 4ne numbers, come on give us shouts and dont say u cant trace us....waiting, u ask kenny he will tell u..

what is this thing about ismail and funny parables??? say what u have to say mate..

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From: Habeeb Sent: 6/21/2002 7:36 AM
okay who is da-pain?how ami supposed to guess who that is!!!england has been beaten and thats it!!!!i am very happy, !even if brazil looes, i dont care, iam tired of england football hype, well about ismail, he was a good friend and the young man went to canada and disppeared, so im just trying to look for him,i also want to go there and may be say a hello to him, you better email me if u want to keep in habeeb@mukasa.net take care mate,...i hate that word, mate???????

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From: da-pain Sent: 6/21/2002 8:25 AM
habeeb, if u cant take it from the nickname, there is a members section where you can find out who da-pain is, come on lad!!! i know u also hate the word lad, just as much as mate;; anyhow, now fine, no snag with this ismail guy but what i was saying is, he sometimes has something to say, but he goes round circles;; oh gosh!!! i know i am stirring up a case;; but waapi;; go on strike and i will speak to you ismail.
I hear England has won, anyhow, so sad, but they were too close, honestly they did their best meanwhile the Brazillian match-maker saw that red, that took him and I by big surprise, my only hope and prayer is that,Brazil shall along the way land in the fangs of the senegalese and we see bulls and balls...it hurt, though i was strategically neutral.

Habeeb, am waiting 4 da txt, atleast am not lost, i emphasise am not, but you are..if you dont, i will give u a shout...
NB; i know ipain, ache, itch, but that is me...go on now..

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From: Habeeb Sent: 6/26/2002 8:02 AM
i finallyfound outwho da-pain is, okay so how are you, i will txt you soon, i cant seem to find the time to even txt, seriously!

On Mugabe and Zimbabwe

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From: da-pain (Original Message) Sent: 8/9/2002 12:40 PM
Should they go, or stay ???

Is Mugabe sane or insane???? Is this a remake of the "Amin-Asians kick-out"???

Is it for the good of Zim" as a country that these white farmers should go???

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From: aiee Sent: 8/11/2002 4:35 PM

this issue of mugabe has divided africa right down the middle.there are
those of us who want empowerment of the indiginous african and there are
those of us who look at economic prosperity of the "dark" continent.
i believe these two things can be achieved.i hear what Mr balagadde is
trying to say. we need indiginous africans to be the driving forces or our
economies, we don't want to look at the madhavani's and the patels getting
the big monies we want to here of oryem, byamugisha and ssali hooking the
doh
pay attention for a while:
look at it this way. i look at prosperity in different airs. we can walk
down a road were the ideal africa is in a westernised state or we can live
our lives looking to africanise our prosperity.
naturally as africans we are socialists.we care so much about those facets
of life that really don't have to do with individual gratification but with
the uplifting of the community. for example, when we come to work in the
west we look at feeding,dressing and educating what may amount to small
"towns"-referring to how big our extended families can be- these ideals and
fundementals of african society constrain us from achieving
"westernisation" of our economies. prosperity out here is all about self
gratification.how do u go out of ur country and go to some other continent
and oppress the natives by taking away there most valued possession let
alone killing them and imposing on them ur corrupted ideals-this so called
democracy- and u still call urself human? u c as an african i cannot
understand that whereas the whiteman can very easily c no problem with it. i
believe some brutally abolished indigenous americans must be rolling in
there miserable mass burial sites.lets not even talk about the unceremonious
herded and intoxicated natives of australia.
this is the mentality which if-choosing carefully from buyi's vocabulary-i
may say is the driving force behind economic prosperity. if u look at it
carefully it is the originator of all the ills of "westernised economies".
in africa that is hard to come by.however with the advent of those "papers"
that seem to get u anything,we have seen an infilitration of these ills in
our society.
an african situation is where we empower the community.it is the sort of
ideals our distinguished independence fighters believed in. please name me
any non socialist independence fighter and i will show u a fox-put u hand up
wazabanga!!!!!-
returning to my point,we need capital and entrepenuers on the ground, not
greedy hungry men. u see these farms in zimbabwe r going to be handed-infact
have already been handed to-"big" shots.that is my main problem. rather than
have a good economy zimbabwe had the chance of empowering the indigenous
african. these farms were supposed to be divided into small plots, losing
there economic viability but still retaining the capacity to feed and
maintain a people free in there homeland.instead like in animal farm we r
just having,in the end, a change of guard. some animals are more equal than
others.these r even worse,via money matters,they r careless managers,good
eaters but careless managers-just check the state coffers of zimbabwe-
this is where i disagree with "comrade" Balagadde.
i beg to rest my case without even commenting on the on that brute of a man
that u have chosen to shower with praise.as a grieving relative of many who
lost there lives under the evil rule of that horse, i find it absurd to c
that one can think of his actions as honourable and empowering to population
that was being oppressed!
thank u very much
aiee

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From: wyldude Sent: 8/12/2002 5:27 AM
Ya, as regards this issue, i in the strongest terms support that the white farmers leave Zimbabwe but they should be given somethin as way of compensation! ye know just to make it a little fare!

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From: BALA Sent: 8/12/2002 4:59 PM
Interesting stuff!!!
The point comerade Aiee brought up is that when the ZIM WHITE FARMERS got chested, their property was given to the wrong people as political favors from the guy at the top... and not necessarily the right jombas. I guess this is corruption and it is not a problem of indeginous Africans managing their own resources. Indeginous African societies are collective in general simply because of low levels of technology. No one can survive on ones own... and sticking together is a survival tactic. But mechanization facilitates transition into individuality cause it allows for division of labor and specialization as well. So the more we develop as in mechanize, our need to live collectively will decrease. In short, we are absolutely capable of running capitalist ventures.
Putting personal issues aside, I think every man (or woman) ought to be judged according to his (or her) deeds and accomplishments. I agree that Amin was brutal... but then again, he was only striving to remain in power, like any other typical African leader. This is certainly not unique to his presidency. I mean he was uneducated and hence could devise no sophisticated ways to neutralize his political oponents or to clean up his mess. This is what made him look bad. But the fact that in his brief stay in office (8 years), this uneducated leader, who could even hardly speak english was able to run the country on cash (not loans) and accomplish so much. The average Ugandan during Amin's regime was happy and prosperous. I do not know how he did it and I think he deserves some credit. Honestly, speaking from a neutral point of view, I think Amin was a genius.

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From: aiee Sent: 8/12/2002 8:11 PM
today if alex u watched channel 4 news they showed this white guy who was swearing mbu his going to stay on his 4000 acres.now if u know land measurements this figure is mind boggling. imagine we-just me and u-owned london...the heart of this economy,remember we r bloods-foreigners-that would be raping these guys right bang infront of the sheriff. like them white farmers r doing to our bros! i agree they should all crawl to prince charles who-if u read in today's "the mail"-is asking blair to get them something to start on when they come here!
i would also like to remind u that this mugabe fella of urs is a great fun of harods...his wife-who happens to be a clean 40yr young than the dude,is his second and was his secretary-is quite extravagant in her spending. i admit some of these chics can be tricky but hey mandela got rid of a murderer and got himself a quality and seasoned liberation fighter. she is so demanding that via the state coffers they constructed her a place which is named after her "Graceland". he himself is chewing the colour.
however i admit that ur last paragraph has left me blick.
Mr balagadde,it is strange that only yesterday as me and my bro,sis and mom were leaving church mom told us of how in the seventies she always believed and hoped for a better uganda,she says she hasnn't yet seen it and she is afraid that she may never see it. funny that she placed herself in the seventies not even inthe sixties!! M7 always gives the example of Korea.in 1966 our economy wa larger the south korea's, now we cannot even think of rolling with those boys. all the money that was ur brute did eat as cash, how many industries were left functioning? my friend let me tell u something....do u know the namboole stadium was a contract signed by obote in his first term of office? do u know that all uganda's recognised hospital were built in the 60's? all that cash u talk about was just like the way we don't feel el nino during its occurance but boy do the after effects hit us hard!! apart from old k'la's unfinished minerat please show me a significant postive remind of the famous self distinguished conquerer of the british empire?
i was in spain last academic yr.let me tell u a bit about spain. it is the world's eighth largest economy. i will also say that i don't place mediterranean countries like spain in the west. i saw ur so called division of labour but boy i never saw that individualist whatever u say. they beleive in society and community like we do by some how they have one of the world's top economies!!
it is unfortunate that u tie our great community cultural values to low standards of technology! the pain and the sadness of the state of unfullfilled life in the west is due to those individualist ideals u talk about...i have seen better people else where...this model doesn't apply to our way of living!
now let me give u guys a bit of history...when the british handed over to ian smith there was a contract whereby the british govt would compensate the white boys and the land would be redistruibuted amongest the blacks. however this process whenever it would be effected would cripple an economy based on agriculture. unlike zambia and SA and angola that have great natural resourses zim's ecomony was only dependant on agric and tourism. this was good for mugabe and his cronies then with the doh coming in.but the war veterans started making noise wanting there cut of the deal. they had been promised hefty chunks of land during the redistruibution.
now when the war in congo reignited mugabe who with his big generals had signed hefty deals to supply congo's army with gear in return for mining rights,thought that was large enough cause to sacrifice a nation!
however as the war went on it looked like it was going to be long haul... all the armies on both sides were inexperianced at fighting long national conflicts...and so all the generals on both sides did not look at that prospect, this hit zimbabwe hardest because it had the largest numbers of foreign troops on kabila side and yet did not even share a common border. unlike the uganda rwanda angola and sudan, mugabe's boys had not even been in war situations for over 15 yrs. well if u don't count the ndebele massacre. they were dying for a casue that was not beneficial to te nation.the US $1million spent by mugabe per day on this adventure did not help his cause in supressing an increasingly vocal veterans assocation. othewr trade unions and groups joined in.mugabe had to find away of keeping them quite...he went head first into this land redistruibution thing to save his political life! that is where it all got so hot! he thought satisfying the needs of the veterans he would use them as a civilian militia to quiten other civil groups!! the veterans were trained killers experianced and good at there job!
this is the background to what has been going on for the past 2yrs!
i need my bed now!
Gakyali mabaga

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From: aiee Sent: 8/12/2002 8:14 PM
sorry guys wa writing while chatting with kwame...the time frame ought to be of th12th

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From: BALA Sent: 8/13/2002 2:14 PM
When slave trade was abolished, the Negroes in America were given "lorov" land (on the order of thousands of acres, although I am not sure about this figure)... but they never saw this land. This is another group of people that I respect... They have raised their status from being slaves (property that is owned, leased, sold etc) to being the most educated, and economically influencial people of African decent in the world. They had absolutely no means to figt back or to get even.... but they have moved one step at a time.

Now comerade Aiee as you requested, here is a few statistics, just to illustrate my point. Amin set in place the Uganda Airlines, Uganda house in the UK, Uganda house in New York City etc... This property was paid for in cash. To date, it can not be afforded, let alone maintained. Isn't this amazing! Soon, we shall hear that it has been sold to foreigners or privatized. Western education has shielded us from this side of Amin. Although there is reason to criticize Amin, there is also reason to give him credit.

So if Mugabe's move backfires, it will not be because indeginous indeginous Africans are running the economy... It will be because of corruption. It will be because the right Africans for the job are never given the chance to prove themselves. Even those that have proved themselves at their trade are never given a chance to perform their job for their country because of political differences and fears. Excellence is neither rewarded nor recognized. In the end, surely enough, the companies are run down, devalued and are making so much losses that the only resolution is to privatize.

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From: aiee Sent: 8/13/2002 3:36 PM
back on the mic!! mugabe did go into Congo with agenda. if u want i can get u the detials of the transactions he had on the line that were so personal and worth millions of dollars,they would have dug a massive hole is his pocket if he didn't go in! there is a connection boys, a big one!! Even our own boys fuuna-ed out there.they also had a program!
Grace is two faced!! did i mention the state fuel she used to burn to come on these shopping trips? ofcourse these were all expenses paid trips!! i find a problem with that.
guys i agree the white boys should bust but not leave us in trouble. last yr i listened to a BBC radio documentary about whether Uganda got her independence at the right time! all disagreed because as much as the civil service was already professional the army needed abit of work on it! the political scene had been left as battle ground for those religious scwabbles the europeans had brought with them. we have not healed as a country from the devastating time of the seventies which many of u seem to look at a s Ug's golden era and we now witness a one party system in ug-call it what u may but even though the wolf be in a sheperds skin it still won't chew on the grass,if u get my point-.
related to my point just because Ebyaffe should be returned it doesn't need to be to anybody at anytime!! it needs careful treatment. please go back to Goerge Orwell and realise that we can heal the memories and pains of the past and kill a second bird by resolving issues in a way that may help us avoid future problems that will have been a result of what we may do today.
i want us guys to talk about the SA case. it is similar in all aspects to the Zim case but please let us look at Thabo's manourves and compare them to ronnie's.! there r big lessons to learn out there!!
the night is still young!! please fire back...just gone to catch a bit!
Gakyali mabaga!!

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From: BALA Sent: 8/13/2002 7:35 PM
Man... the congo was another mess.
But on one hand Kabils Sr. is to blame for the mess. He tried to bite the hand that fed him. These guys had put him in power... it was not professional for him to wake up in the morning and decide to chest them.
I also doubt that Uganda got her independence at the right time. In fact, our independence was some sort of a trade off. During the cold war, it was easy for the Soviet Union to swing the support of the colonized countries to its side... So the US pressured the Europeans to grant us independence, at least on paper. Besides, why not exploit Africa in a legitimate way.... enslave us in our own land. And in a way, we are not independent.

As for South Africa, when the white boys saw themselves going out of power, they decided to privatize the economy. They sold everything to themselves cause they were the guys with the big bucks. So now, you have a government with political but not economic power... a government that could easily go bankrupt... And in reality, the guys with the gold make the rules. In a way when government reaches a point that it needs the money, it will have to give them favors.

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From: BALA Sent: 8/18/2002 10:57 PM
Man guys....
I just watched a TV story on "60 minutes" about the poor Zim" White farmers. Now guys, I noticed that Mugabe decorated himself to look just like Hitler... only that he is still black. You know... the tihin, symmetric moustache and those bizzare eyebrows that give him an Eagle look... kinda like Adolf Hitler himself. More interesting is the fact that one of his pointmen was nicknamed "Hitler." Guys... to be honest, I take back what I said about Mugabe. There are facts to justify his actions... but the means he as chosen to execute his agenda are just too insane! Despicable!
One could mess with black folks with impunity... but Mugabe has messed with the wrong people; white, hardworking Farmers. I do not think the west will just look on and pretend not to care. This guy is in for a serious beating on the economic and political front!

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From: Emily Sent: 8/21/2002 3:00 PM
If I've read correctly, I'll be the only person that whole-heartedly disagrees with Mugabe.

I've said the same thing to an English citizen I know that is always complaining about the influx of Pakistanis, and other non-Anglo Saxons. You've let them come this far so you should be willing to accomodate them! Perhaps the comparison is not that accurate, but let me explain. The British that complain that these foreigners don't pay tax (bse they're doing cash-in-hand jobs ie cab-driving, etc), but go on to claim social assistance, put their kids through public school, etc, should have been more willing to do the 'dirty' work! Now that someone else has managed to make something out of it, there's a problem?!!

There is obviously some benefit in having white farmers in Zimbabwe, a lot of it stemming from the fact that they manage their businesses much better than the natives of Zimbabwe. If this were not the case, by definition, the white farmers would not be that successful. If the argument is then that the 'locals' do not have the land to begin with, or that profits are being repatriated excessively, then what Mugabe needs to be doing is either taxing these farmers heavily, or revising his labour laws to ensure that locals get as much acess to work on these farms. Land laws obviously need to be revised as well! Limit the amount of land they can have,..etc! There are plenty on sensible ways to deal with this.

Aiee mentioned corruption, and I couldn't agree with him more. We don't have to look very far,...I'm sure Kagu ideally hoped to elevate our nation to 'acceptable' levels of development,...but the desperation and greed that our people are faced with has meant that we more often than not, we make this impossible with our self-serving motives. I'm not sure how the physical existance of Amin's buildings in the US, etc, have done this nation any good. Did they serve the man at the bottom of the barrel? How Socialist is that?!

Mugabe might have started out with the right idea,..Keep the wealth within our borders',...but if the people within the borders cannot generate that wealth, then what is he going on about?! Do you think that the people that are going to recieve this land are going to be as productive? And whilst I realise that some have argued that bse we have been kept in the dark we are unable to pick up these skills,...I find that argument to be rather defeatist. Any one of us can safely understand how a business should be run to be successful. How a farm, within reasonable size, productivity, etc, can be well managed. Are we willing to see these things through, or do we rather see money rush into our hands.

We need to examine ourselves a bit more. Our nationalist dreams, socialism, etc,...we have a very long way to go, and I feel that oft time we try too hard to get to the end of the rainbow, without struggling through it. I've said it before, and now I say it with even more conviction,..if we are 'tomorrow's leaders', we've got to be more open minded. We have weakness, and rather stubbornly hold onto idealistic rumblings, we should be self-examining and progressive.
If Mugabe wants to keep his seat as president, he needs to show better results, instead of throwing his nation onto a path of obvious uncertainty (I'm not sure how something uncertain can be obvious, but you know what I mean!!!)

I would like to say so much more, but I have to get back to work,.....

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From: aiee Sent: 8/22/2002 2:53 AM
da pain, bala and the rest please say something...at long last i have got someone with a progressive view come up and join the discussion.not to take away from what u brothers have been banging on about but i see sense and not ideals in what this lady is saying.
let me get a rest and i will come back with something big!! brothers and sisters i urge u to contribute because emily has brought up a big side point. We r the leaders of tomorrow...this forum is one way of learning by exchange of ideas. this is a message to silent burners especially!
Gakyali mabaga

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From: da-pain Sent: 8/24/2002 1:17 PM
Aiee, I comfortably agree with the idea that as 2moroz leaders we have to be open minded, like the lady mentioned... and she said that mugabe to emerge as a successful leader, he should carry out, stuff like land reform;; God help a nation; This mugabe guy sings that same song now and again, Land reforms is what he is doing and pressing for, if i can be more specific..infact I think, this is one way of land reform, only that it is more bold and risky than the rest..

fine, she suggests stunts like taxing these white farmers heavily, or even creating avenues for more black people to take up employment on these farms;;
I want to first and foremost remind you that, NO WAY AND NEVER CAN THE WHITE MAN TAKE A JUST FOOTING, WHEN IT COMES TO HIM AND THE BLACK MAN; HISTORYHAS PROVED THIS. I am more than convinced if Mugabe decides to set new laws concerning these white farmers, Blair will push him behind closed doors and twist his hand asking him to make it softer for the zim' white farmer or no more aid jets in to zimbabwe,,

I understand this notion bought by many educated or learned comrades, that; TREAT YOUR BOSS/SUPERIOR WITH CARE OR ELSE YOU MISS YOUR DINNER AND STARVE..

But honestly how long shall this go on, that we as black people can no way make our own decission without the insecurity of this so called "richer white man has to gain"... Banange, this guy controls our everything;; I think some of us shall have to be sacrifices atleast to have our descedants not live as either political or economical slaves, and it is in line with this BIG DREAM that i respect the likes of Mugabe..

I will not take the naive-path of believing there are no uncertainities awaiting Zimbabwe, BUT amidst the famine, if all african combined efforts wouldn't we surely rescue a nation.. Besides, if we stopped fighting against ourselves, who would need all those dollars in loans just to buy the riffles and bullets from the same bastards. And if we stopped, wouldn't we save, if we stopped being greedy, stealing and saving in swiss banks and then our accounts ending up frozen by the same buffuns, surely wouldn't we be far, I AGREE WE HAVE THE SOLUTION AND WE FIRST HAVE TO BOLDLY TAKE THIS STEP TO SHOW THE WHITEMAN, WE HAVE SHALL TAKE THAT WHICH IS OUR HERITAGE..and our eyes have been opened!!

I AM MORE THAN CONVINCED, THIS SUDDEN LENIENCE MOST OF U FICTIOUSLY HAVE WITH THE ZIM' FARMERS, IS SIMPLY BECAUSE YOU ARE SCARED, THE WEST WILL CLOSE ITS DOORS TO ZIMBABWE..much as I think this will have grave impact on many lives in Zimbabwe, I insist, that, us as Africans can stand with him, or atleast not condem him. If we are not bold enough, i suggest we just shut up;; and like Blair lost his campaign to kick the guy out of the commonwealth, I am sure, our combined effort shall someway save a life in Zimbabwe,, I know this is the strangest of all solutions, BUT STILL TWENTY YEARS DOWN THE ROAD, WE SHALL NOT GET COMMENTS LIKE, "THE ZIMBABWIAN BLACKMAN IS JUST A SPECTACTOR TO THE GROWING ZIM' AGRICULTURAL INDUSTRY"

Allow me to Re-introduce myself

noreply@blogger.com (Budonian) — Thu, 25 May 2006 17:07:00 +0000

From: Solo (Original Message)

Sent: 7/18/2002 3:53 PM

Hi everybody.

I have noticed that I do not know half the people who are signed up to this
community. This is probably because I wasn't there during their time or
maybe, their nicknames are just incomprehensible. It is also partly due to
unedited personal member profiles.
Ironically however, I have a feeling that I might actually know a lot more
people than I think I do. For example, I have just discovered that Akanga
Justus, my very good friend is a member...infact Iam going to write to him
right now.
To rectify this problem, we should either edit our personal member
profiles to suggest who exactly we are (this is not as hard as it sounds)
or, we should introduce ourselves in our next posted message.
Ill go first.

-My name is Solomon Rugunda. (i hope this clarrifies the "solo" tag).
-I was in Budo from 1995-2000, Nigeria House(House of the Performers)
-I played basketball and rugby, so you might have noticed me on the
sports field.
-I have an elder brother called Kwame, who you might know if you dont
know me.

-peace- Solo

From: Habeeb

Sent: 8/15/2002 7:23 AM

Introductions??

Mine is kind of abit straight forward: Name: Mukasa Habeeb....thats where habeeb comes from(senseless!); was in kings college from 91-97 in england house; didnt do anything significant, lots of relations in school: Bugo,Kenneth Sali,Simon Semwezi,JackMatte...havent been to uganda recently...well thats it!

From: da-pain

Sent: 8/15/2002 11:24 AM

ssajjalyabende Habeeb, i thought you had arranged mob gigs in schule, them england house harreez, not to mention enterte""on weekends, or atleast if you weren't an organiser, i well recall you were quite active those days;;

Now, I know you can find me at my address and snipe at me, but i nevertheless want to remind you that, YOU PARTICIPATED IN SWIMMING COMPETITIONS, """"..i know aiee whats to ask which race, but truthfully i cant say which, though am certain the life saver on duty that day, surely has a story to tell about my one and only habeeb;; so you did something ma buddy, infact we can say you did swim...

From: Habeeb

Sent: 8/16/2002 9:45 AM

okay, no harm maybe i did something, i wasnt rally prepared for those swimming comps,i was ill and still determined to swim for the hse(hopeless house spirit!), but i did do well the following year, and over here in middlesex they are working me like mad, i am in a club and we start swimming training at 4am, i have been off training for 2 weeks bse i had to go away to cyprus for my bday, but they are already on my case, and i may start again tomorrow,oh yes i was entertainment committee treasurer!i had 4gotten!!!!

From: BALA

Sent: 8/16/2002 12:40 PM

Man Habeeb... when I hear of the title "Entertainment Commitee Treasurer," the word "Nyondo" comes to my mind. Now that you can no longer be prosecuted, did you ever bang nyondo? Tell us how these things really worked.

From: Marto

Sent: 8/16/2002 5:03 PM

So mr.solomon isn't this a SMALL world?well that is a good idea coz i also have no idea who the hell some people are!well i am sure that is what most of the other members think Who/what the hell is MARTO well i will aslo introduce myself.

Name:Muhwezi Martin

Nickname:"Marto"

years at Kings:1993-1996

Sports palyed:Rugby.hockey(like thrice),Baseball(thrice too),football(never)

Well i hope that is sufficient for y'all and solo i would love to hear from you personally so i will display one of my addresses so we can talk at a more personal level.i hope that is okay with you Bala and Mr.GALIX who has no idea what this animal is.Anyway it's mmarto@2die4.com

From: Habeeb

Sent: 8/17/2002 12:11 PM

Hi bala, well honestly speaking i was made treasurer for the entertainment committee withoout even campaigning!!!!I had trouble the very first few weekends bse i dint know how things run and obviously the people who had been campaigning for nearly a year didnt get the hot seat, well, the treasurer was responsible for collecting money and keeping it...i kept little notes of the amounts i collected every night but no one ever asked me to ever show them!!!sometimes(and many times)..someone else would collect the money and bring it over after the movie, it would ALWAYS be less than what i would collect and it would be such an exact figure...ie 20k or 19550/=; u cant complain bse its not yr money and there is no form of accountability,I hardly ever got tempted using that money, bse i knew if i did, it would become a habit, THOUSANDS of people would come to borrow money and it was hard turning them down bse other members of the committee would send them to you, even clubs and societies would always come to borrow money and in many cases i would refuse bse if at any time the headmaster asked for accountability...i would be ready, i did used to borrow myself and it was so natural returning it, it seems silly but if u arent a thief, u are not a thief!!!The best part of it was the weekend when someone was going out to get a movie, whoever left got a hefty allowance, 10k for 2 movies, even if we used to get them nearly for free, transport, probably 5k, lunch another 5k and emergency probably 2k, that was so little compared to the amount we made,...well i dont think i have answered yr question,have i???

From: eisah

Sent: 8/17/2002 12:27 PM

Hullo folks,

I bet u r okay.

Well, I've just joined the BI n thanx to Solo 4 the idea.

Enough of that!

Mayanja Eisah Kakyama ye nze.

Nickname:Kyakonye- the rarest in Ug.

I was @ Budo from 1996-2001 and I was 'Budonianly' known 4 Athletics , 'Nyiging'(as the Prep Prefect), n Soccer.

Many of 'US' studied at Budo.

From: Pote

Sent: 8/19/2002 2:44 AM

Hi peeps.

Believe it or not, I am enjoying all these introductions.

I am just concerned that we still seem to be very few in this community.

Can we make an effort to convince many more.

Surely we can comfortably clock 100 members!

Let's try hard!

In the meantime, I must say that many of you guys still leave a blank in my mind.

Since Solo seems good at initiating ideas, please (Solo) bring up the idea of posting snaps.

Atleast that would help pals like me.

Thanks.

Bugo.................. I suggest you try hard to remember this Pote guy.

I am here to stay and I can be of good use to your mind.

I am glad that wyldude appreciates my 'slap'.............. that was the whole idea!

Later pals.

Someone please remind KSK to keep writing.

From: Gali

Sent: 8/19/2002 11:05 PM

But Pote..why are you trying to tease Solo? You know very well that if we were to post pictures..Solo would not be able to post one.. some distinctive feature would not fit in a passport size picture..atleast the last time I saw him:) Stop me if I am telling lies Solo:)

From: Mark

Sent: 9/27/2002 9:23 AM

I'm Mark Katumba, I was in Australia from 95 to 2000. I didnt do much of sports so I hardly went to the pitch where all the kavuyo used to be.I have always been quiet so I dont have much more to say about myself.

From: Gali

Sent: 9/27/2002 2:23 PM

But MR. Mark-TOE/ Bata/ footlocker;

you claim the identity of being humble and quiet on the field and not playing sports.

Need I remind you that you were Australia house's best swimmer. And part of that is attributed to the fact that you share the same bodily advantages as the famous Australian swimmer (Thorpe).

And another sport you took part in was scratching especially at nite during enterte. Oba you thought that scratching was not a sport???

From: Ash

Sent: 9/28/2002 3:57 AM

Name : Ashy Mukiibi

1987-94 ... Budo Jr SchooL

1994 ... Kiggundu Hse P (BJS)

1995-2000 .Kings College Budo

1999-2000 - Australian House P

1994 ........ O level Sports man of the year (S2)

I did almost all sports, got involved in music and Dramma. I also held anumber of responsibilities in different clubs of the school, to mention but a few.

Gakyali Mabaga

From: Mark

Sent: 9/29/2002 1:01 PM

By the way Ashy I dig your C.V. Take for example your contribution in music and drama for Aussie. I think that i you were never taking part, our house would not have lasted all those years, it was embarassing but when you stopped acting in S.6, we improved to the second last. I hear you are still running very fast these days despite you gaining a pot like our old music teacher.

From: Ash

Sent: 10/2/2002 5:47 AM

Hi everyone, i hope you guys are going great, but as for Mark, i have no words for you and as one of our members always says,sometimes the best answer is silence and thats exactly what am doing as for now. Take care guys

BLACKS ARENT REALLY WELCOME IN SPAIN

noreply@blogger.com (Budonian) — Thu, 25 May 2006 17:01:00 +0000

From: Habeeb (Original Message)

Sent: 12/2/2002 5:37 PM

Just take my word, of all the countries i have visited in the EU, i must seriously warn you if u are black,!France is okay as they r lots of migrants from Congo, and most of west africa, so is belgium, Uk, self explanatory, commonwealth citizens have made this place a temporary home, but Spain! Spain is filled with migrants from north africa ie morocco and tunisia, a black person with a job or enjoying the usual social life is a rare occurence, all black people i came across or saw are dubious looking and are evidently illegal immigrants,as they are selling cds recorded in triplicate, the airport at barcelona isnt friendly to non eu citizens especially if u are from africa ie zimbabwe, u cant easily talk to someone in spain as they will think you are planning a great robbery, it sounds a usual thing but just take caution whils u are there,

.....apart from that, the weather is good!

From: aiee

Sent: 12/3/2002 2:02 PM

listen to me guys! as people of no colour-black ain't a colour- if we are
going to adventure we shall be faced with these obstacles. i want to c the
world, but i am not going to be stopped b'se of my colour! yes i will brand
the spanish in their country racist but i will also tell u y.
spain was a fascist country for a long time. they have only been a democracy
since 82. the society was brought up along the lines of oppresion ands
belief in supriority amongst the human race by virtue of physical
attributes. for u who may not know, spain was part of hitler's clic!!
however they have managed to export these ideals to south america.whilst the
world war was going on, the gov'ts of argentina, brazil, uruguay and chile
turned a blind eye to what was going on in europe b'se the white man there
had already established a program like the nazis were looking to better. if
you go to rio, u will be suprised! there places where u may think u are
walking thru the riviera, but then u will also c kisenyi style slums where
prositutions is the way forward-aids has basically ruined the economy of
brasil-. i will also add that almost all the nazi bad boys went down to this
place and up to now some live untouched on the riches they robbed from the
jews they tortured. you will find big country towns were german is the
official language.
the spanish were the last to stop slave trading! for them life of a lesser
human can be an instrument to generate fun! it is believed that the idea of
the "circus" gladiator and all originates from spain. up to now u have bull
fighting the most inhumain sport i have witnessed being the national sport
of spain and much of latin america. also after every hunting season it is
customary to hang the hunting dogs in fields, it is an abominable sight to
witness.
however i believe there is hope. recently lula and that colonel in paraguay
became the latest leftist to take power in a continent that has been ruled
for a long time by xenophobes. i believe for the indigenous pple of south
america hope is nigh.
spain is still far away.its economy has suffered over the last 25 years.
the emergence of america as the major super power led to spain losing its
strong hold on latin american markets. countries no longer looked up to
their colonial masters but leading economies for trade and aid partnerships.
the economy of spain began to fail and actually that is y democracy came in.
with this however came an image change. spain wants to be a major player in
europe, though only the 7th world's largest economy, it is not evenly
distrubuted and many are jobless and live well below the poverty line.i.e it
is a poor country. it has continously received aid from the EU to bolster
its living standards and ofcourse EU directives have been stringent so as to
bring most of southern europe(greece, cyprus italy and spain) to the the
economic standards of their nothern counterparts. seen as the gateway of
illegal immigrants,one of the directives has been to do away with illegal
immigrants. many immigrants just use spain as a gateway to get to places
like england and so spain didn't really care! now they do! b'se of the Eu
and their-the spanish- oppressive nature! what a potent mixture.
however don't fear i say! u must conquer! i hate all these weakling thoughts
and statements i have read today. for what u pay u should receive the
desired product! if anyone travels and some sterwardess or waiter gives u
stick, walk away don't pay! or throw a tatrum!! these are some of the ways
we can be heard! nowadays some of us have the dough,it speaks, flash it!
i will be back!

From: Solo

Sent: 12/3/2002 3:03 PM

man aiee i didnt realize it was that bad.
eh! thats more racism than there is in any other place i know.
Im changing my mind about going to Spain. I dont wanna be treated like
filth.

From: Mark

Sent: 12/3/2002 7:23 PM

I thought guys had banged gas about the site but its good to see guys are still there.Was it katabo? Man aiee, I was reading all that stuff you wrote and eh I was surprised.You know I watched the MTV Europe awards with the P.Diddy's having a ball and inviting all the Espaniolas to his bash yet they could have probably been despising him.So aiee, does this mean you are not going back to Spain at all??

From: aiee

Sent: 12/4/2002 8:46 AM

guys, i said yesterday that i will re link on this issue...what i did is i
gave u the background and argued what the reasons where the spanish seemed
to be like they are. now in general they are not as good as england and US-i
am not sure- on race relations, but don't be put off by all these
negativities! visit the place and have ur fun! go in a group i would advice!
act with caution b'se they are bloody insenstive to u!! they see u as a
parasite. we r the new-generation-one-nation pple! we cannot allow fear to
ruin our progress. pple make noise about race but until u have been out of
england france and the US u may never know how much other pple have it
rough! well-travelled spanish are aware of the major problem in there
country. if u press them hard they will probably tell u that u may have a
horrid reception once i get there. even many other poeple in many other
european countries will tell u the same. i am trying to say that we have
alot of work to do as a people, otherwise we may never move on! i look
forward to the day i will walk into a shop and the security aren't on their
tip toes! i await the moment when young black pple will be given equal
treatment to young whites that choose to do round the world trips! y is it
that iam asked to pay for first class treatment and i am treated second
class? if we don't stand, we shall continue to be down. i have already made
a point to this uni-i must add that uni of Bristol is considered elitist!- y
if i am paying thru my nose can't i go abroad and enjoy the same pleasures
of those who r paying nothing? i asked the uni that qn and they knew the
answer would be racist so they had no choice but to let me go and in so
doing threw me to the wind! they haven't apologised for throwing me to the
wind but they will soon c my steam if they don't appreciate me as a person.
in this day, when students round the uk are matching in london against the
increment of student fees,we can also make our own stand against injustices
born on us because of my colour! come on guys go to these countries and show
them all your papers that are legal to the bone, order a taxi, eat in the
classy resturants and live large!!!!!
yes i will go back to spain ASAP.i don't run away from a challenge! i plan
to return there every yr atleast!i am planning,if i can get colour to tour
south america! i know it's abit risky but i am not lying down like my any
other kid i have my dreams! come on guys our ancestors went thru worse
situations!!!
i will re link!

From: bryo

Sent: 12/4/2002 10:27 AM

man aiee, sorry bout ur hard time in spain. i haven't experienced much racism here in UK except of course security guards always watching me in shops. oh yeah, and some guys shouted some racial slurs at me from their speeding car. i guess this is an issue that is here for a while longer but thank God things are better than in the old days i.e. 60s time of MalcolmX

From: Elison

Sent: 12/4/2002 11:12 AM

wow wow wow!

aiee what an experience...it may have left u as poor as a church mouse but as brave as a lion a and as wise as a certain solomon. your postings have left us shocked bewildered and even inspired...4 such a long time zungus have been riding on our backs.we have been despised 4 too long. it is time we stand up and straighten our backs because a man cant ride your back unless its bent!

anyways gotta run...

From: Habeeb

Sent: 12/4/2002 1:32 PM

recently turning into my mid twenties i decided to travel to as many countries as i could b4 its too late, i have been to spain twice this year, within 7 weeks, but i got such a bad impression, in the summer i had the chance to go to cyprus..a country with a currency stronger than the british pound and strongly applying to join the eu....meaning cypriots will come to london and nnot need visas to work....cyprus is different, its hot and they are many black people..mostly tourists from the uk and the usa, ayia napa is very lively 24/7!!!!!and everyones having fun, black people are very welcome as they are a magnet to the opposite sex..whatever reasons...dont ask me...go there yourself, average temperature 40C during may-late october; i was impressed with cyprus and it will be nice visiting the greek islands soon.

if u cant easily get a visa to get to spain, its simple buy a ticket via paris, and apply for a visa through the french embassy, u get it there and then,...its abit unfair, 1200 iraqis have been admitted from france and granted 4year work permits, people with no papers, probably no education, but let a graduate from uganda ready to pay taxes apply for a work permit and its obvious, u will be asked to kindly leave, i didnt understand the uks move on that iraqi thing?!!!!

From: ralph

Sent: 12/4/2002 8:31 PM

Eiii mwana that was a very bad experienceto say the least i couldnot believe something like that could happen in a country like Spain which unfortunately counts itself among the civilised western democracies.

One would have thought that by the fall of apertheid in South africa the "western world" had learnt some lessons and took substantive measures to root racism out of society. I was actually thinking about spain as one of my next holiday destinations but this picture i'm getting does not further spain's chances as my holiday destination anymore. I indeed appreciate the idea of having to stand up to this 18th century practise but if it gets down to choosing where to enjoy your holiday savings, i wouldn't opt for spain.

I've always wondered why people call the British very hospitable and all those good things and yet it is becoming very difficult for me and many of my collegues to break into the bar, the last time i was in a court session at the Old Bailey it all looked like i was in a totally different place with my senior Barrister the only person to chat with. To be honest i felt i was like an S2 having to enter an S6 class by this terrible accident !! well atleast now i know the British ae not comparable to the nasty Spanish, i will have to live with them -but only for a short while anyway.

From: Ash

Sent: 12/8/2002 3:20 PM

Guys,..whatagwan? (am trying to learn some little Jamican)Any, those postings you guys are offering to some of us are very important since we are only begining to travel. I have only been in the Uk for afew weeks now and since this is my first foreign country to be in, i have little to offer about the subject. I am how ever interested in this subject for in not too long a time,i would also love to travel round and round and round and therefore your experience and advice is very impotant. As for my 'badde' Aiee, that experience is only doing you good, and that applies to everyone how's being treated unfairly and i can assure you one day all will be alright.

Habbeb,Aiee, is there any way i can get your contacts for further questions?

Thanx

From: zurkov

Sent: 12/18/2002 1:41 PM

Uhm Aiee, Habeeb y'all paint such a bad picture of Spain pero ya se que disfrutasteis de estar con todas estas senioritas bellisimas! No? Anyway let the truth be told, wherever you go there will be racists, that includes Runkingiri, Aiee and I say this from personal experience as I went touring there with a couple of English friends! When I was in England my economics professor, Andy Kumalo, had been a prisoner Mandela in apatheid SA. Despite his obvious animus for the white man, he too concurred that we are just as racist. Whats even more intriguing is that the peoples most affected by racism i.e. blacks and Jews seem to be the most racist!

Now back to the Espanioles racistas ! Yes I too have been walking on the street in Madrid and seen OLDER women crouch for their bags! Once I was about to explain to a lady that my semesterly expenses in Madrid were 20 times the average annual income of the Spanish! That said, I dont blame them because as you astutely pointed out, most of "us" there, are into mischief!

My experience was quite distinct from yours, however. I loved the country a lot and there is no where in Europe I'd rather be! I mean face it, they are the perfect Hedonists(born to party), the girls have a touch of moor blood in them so they got butts and curves plus a complexion that is an Aryan vs. Acholi compromise (capuccino). What else could you ask for?(I know Balokole appreciate this too, Aiee).

And the Moors are infact the major reason why the elderly hate anything darker! Those damn north Africans came in, conquered them (they are very patriotic by the way) and thereafter seduced all their women. They should be grateful though, cause most of them dont need that much tanning to attain the "ideal" complexion!!

As for Habeeb's assertion that France is "OK". I dont think you could be more wrong! Have you forgotten that Le Pen almost won the presidency on a promise to expel all immigrants? I am quite sure if it weren't for all the footie maniacs who feared the demise of the "French" national team, he would have won! Plus I have a tonne of horror stories from people who have been there long enough!

When its all said and done, I think your opinion of wherever you ended should be shaped by a cost-benefit analysis. Were you happy more than you were sad? That kind of thing. You can't let the one moron you met in a government office or in Santiago Bernabeu spoil your kharma! Because as you might have noted, good and evil, love and hate, infinity and zero all share the same space as they exist only in mutual relativity!!!

From: Gali

Sent: 12/18/2002 5:46 PM

But Balaba, I just did my Philosophy final and you are taking my back to relativism and hedonists... Anyway, interesting stuffs. However, a few questions still.

Can a minority be racist? What would you consider racist? Wouldn't you describe it as oppression or segregation of a minority? So when you talk of black people being the most racist, that does not go down well with me. Considering the past atrocities that have befallen us, surely you do not expect a black man in this world to take the world with open arms and smile like history is just another bed-time story. Therefore, I think that Andy Kumalo meant to say that since we (blacks and jews) have been mistreated from the past i.e. slave trade and holocaust respectively; we have developed a thicker outer skin that makes us view the world with caution...which could be misinterpreted as racism. Like the saying goes, once beaten, twice shy.

rom: zurkov

Sent: 12/18/2002 11:32 PM

Gali, let me start by saying I am really sorry you still have philosophy exams to do! I am quite happy giving Mr. PentiumIV tasks that take him two and half hours to run while using up 100% RAM. Anyway, to each his own!!
So can a minority be a racist? HELL YEAH! So what/who is a racist anyway? This is what dictionary.com says: 1.The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others. 2.Discrimination or prejudice based on race. So as you can see all it takes is believing that for example "the blacker the berry the sweeter the juice"!
What you said reminds me so much of the brothers here! They did this and that to us bla bla bla, Well, yeah they did? The question you have to ask yourself now is, so what? Am I going to be held down by what happened 2 centuries with some scattered occurances to the present day? I say no, I say we got to be defiant! Not physically defiant as that is what the guys here tend to do, but mentally defiant. Let us let our props/skills/talents/ethics speak for us. And if they are not loud enough, we just have to keep working; channelling our energy to what makes us better! That has worked for me so far! But may be I have been lucky along the way as well but hey...
p.s thicker outer skin: if it makes us more impervious to adversity bring it on! If it makes us more repugnant to the rest of the world, uhmmm .

From: BALA

Sent: 12/19/2002 1:04 AM

The way I see it, racism and all that stuff is intricately linked to economic factors. The fear that there might not be enough resources for everyone causes humans to try and prosper as a distinct kind eg as whites, as mulattoes, as a given tribe etc... Secondly, societies in general will always look for a scapegoat: a group of people on which all the problems of the society can be blamed. In the US, it's the blacks... in countries like Greece and Yugoslavia, it's the Albanians... etc

For Example,

Some time back (70's I think), the US congress made a list of types of people that the government had to watch out for... people that were supposedly "detrimental" to the society in general (the scapegoat). This list included people like; drug-dealers, prosties, thugs, thieves etc... They also added the CHINESE onto this list. But that was then. Todate, because of their brain power, chinese are imported to US top institutions in droves. So in a way it's all about Bargaining power.

Honestly, I have always been treated extremely well in all the countries I have been to... and in a way, better than Uganda itself so I can not relate to bad racial experiences.

Meanwhile, here in stato, it seems as if Racism still has a strong hold. For example, the senate majority leader, Trent Lott recently made racist comments that revealed his true nature. Paul Oneal, the former treasury secretary, who showed some concern for Africans by visiting Africa, was asked to resign. Affirmative action is on the verge of suffocation. Blacks were deliberately prevented form voting in the previous presidential elections. I was also suddened by the way the former presidend Clinton was treated (like a black boy) because of his friendship with blacks.

From: aiee

Sent: 12/19/2002 11:20 AM

donde has estado? hace mucho tiempo sin oyendo de ti! i completely agree
with you. that is y if you read what i wrote i tried as much as possible to
emphasise the point that p'ple shouldn't be put off going to spain. it has
wanders to behold! it is a great place to be! i was on the south east coast
in valencia and had brilliant sunshine even when it was cold in
madrid.u,having been a madrileno will understand that it is a cosmopolitan
city, quite european in test. by this i mean, if you live in london, it
could be different to living in say belfast! y? b'se the guys in belfast r
not as open to foreigners as the londoners are. for those of u in england i
read the Guardian paper( the observer on sundays), there was an article on
the 8th dec. this yr,(pg 12 & 13) that was interesting. it just helps me to
drive home the point that the place you are at in that country,sort of
governs the amount of racism you'll face and what kind it will be.
as u-zurkov- have said, please guys, don't highlight what i said! there r
great things down there. Zurkov has highlighted the muchachitas! the life
out there is just to much fun!!!! it takes you away from the rush and bustle
of the life in the west!give it a go.

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