From: jaffer2000 (Original Message) Sent: 3/8/2003 3:21 PM
i am sitted here reflecting on my experiences at Budo and one of the things that keeps haunting me is the fact that we guys at Budo in one way or another psychologically harrassed girls. i remember some time i was sitted outside the mainhall and an HSC brethren walked outside with his date after enterte(a kiddo by the way, i think she was like in S.2) and Wai and his wife Nesbit laughed in the guys face and told him that his date was ugly. i dont know about you guys but i am personally starting to feel remorse about these things. guys, we had no right to chuck for girls. by the way, by the time i left Budo, girls were no longer called leopards but lizards. This was because some brethren insisted that leopards were cute animals.
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From: da-pain Sent: 3/21/2003 2:12 PM
Besides chucking being grossly a defence mechanism, I have grown to accept it as it evolves. In kindergarten [am not sure i went but if i at all did,] boys sang about gals [and vice versa] being dogs, stinking, U mention it, much as we also peed/pissed in our neatly designed khakis. If a gal ever tried to join any boy's game, the response would be bizarre, needless to mention the little innocent she, risked being shocked into sense with a "thai-quondo"[high flying kick]. Come primo, the two sexes mixing still entailed its own contraversies at that level. Then to Budo, as we were being ushered into the reality of life. We tackled those wierd paradigms from the "hard-to-undestand" stages of life, the rift between the two sexes improved up the academic ladder. No wonder Aliguma can testify that the comrades now fight to unsparingly bench their "ex-leops" and vice versa. So when you hear I am tying a knot with some Budonian gal that once called me a little bogus dunk, just know that is what growing up can be, afterall I might have also once referred to her as one stinking leop of a jurassic decent. I have learnt to appreciate it as a stage of growing up and it doesnt worry me much afterall Mukyala Mirembe and Mrs Songa can handle the extremes for the gals' case, n boys can handle themselves...........
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From: keisha Sent: 3/22/2003 7:05 AM
I've listenend to this debate with growing dismay. As a girl who went to Budo a while ago, I remember the cruelty inflicted on members of my sex by the male element of the school. The fact is, in Budo, at least when I went there, girls are second class citizens, and it suited the boys to try and keep us in our place by trying to crush our self-esteem with their childish taunts. Whichever way you look at it, there is no way you can justify cruelty by claiming the girls were ugly, or it was done in friendship. the fact is, it was cruel and hurtful to those who had to endure it.Period.
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From: BALA Sent: 3/24/2003 1:51 AM
Guys... some things just don't change..., in that they go way back. Like boys "subjugating" girls at Budo. See for your selves in the New Vision links below:
70 years of mixed schooling at King’s College bears fruit
Budo now a first choice for girls
70 years of mixed schooling at King’s College bears fruit
YOUNG GENERATION: S3 students of King’s College Budo perform a Chemistry experiment
On March 30, all roads lead to Budo hill to celebrate Founders’ Day. As the day approaches, old girls of the school reflect on their time there. Education Vision’s Catherine Ntabadde reports
Several prominent women have passed through King’s College Budo and are proud to be associated with the school usually associated with boys.
Uganda’s first woman Deputy Chief Justice Leaticia Kikonyogo is an old Budonian. Kikonyogo who is also President of International Women Judges was among the first students to join ‘A’ level at Budo in 1959.
“We were five girls in S5. I was very happy. I used to get on well with everybody. I got many friends,” the polite and soft spoken Deputy Chief Justice reveals.
Having attended Trinity College Nabbingo, a girls’ school, for her ‘O’ levels, Kikonyogo admits that it was a new experience at Budo.
“We were good at Cricket. I used to participate in Sunday School and I had a wonderful time. Am very proud to be an Old Budonian because Budo was and is still one of the best schools. When I was young, I wanted to join Budo,” she explains with a smile.
The Deputy Chief Justice who was the first woman judge at the High Court and Supreme Court says Founder’s Day is important because old students meet and discuss their achievements, talk about their memories. She says it is a re-union.
The Justice further says that she used to compete with boys in class in order to get good grades. She attributes some of her achievements to the education and skills she attained from Budo.
Lady Justice Julia Ssebutinde who attended Budo from 1972-73 says coming from a girl’s secondary school (Gayaza High School) and crossing to a co-education school reveals that she was a competitive child.
“I was set to compete with boys from day one when I joined Budo,” Ssebutinde who was there for her ‘A’ levels says.
The judge who once worked as a State Attorney in the Ministry of Justice for 13 years says:
“All the girls were out to survive. Compared to the young girls at Gayaza, we learnt quite early to survive in the world of men and women. That is a contribution I would not have got if I stayed in a girl’s school,” the jolly and elegant judge explains.
Ssebutinde who headed the Police and now the Uganda Revenue Authority (URA) probes says she is proud to be a Budonian.
She says Budo gave her the skills to be a good mother and a leader.
Founders’ Day, she says, is good because it helps the incumbent students see the pioneers. It also encourages students to become like the prominent pioneers and helps the pioneers not to forget the school.
Some of the other prominent women from Budo are controversial Mbarara MP Winnie Byanyima, Court of Appeal Judge Alice Mpagi, Gayaza High School head, Joy Male, Prof. Florence Mirembe a gynaecologist at Mulago Hospital.
Mrs. Sara Ntiro one of the first girls at Budo and the first woman graduate says: “If you had not gone to Budo, where would you have gone. We used to call it ‘the school.’”
She adds that Budo trained students to care about others, do things for the public, school and country but not for themselves.
Though they were 33 girls out of the about 500 boys, Ntiro says that did not worry her because she is the only girl at home.
Ntiro who studied at Kings College throughout her secondary further says Founders’ Day is a day when old students of all ages, different levels of success both female and male come together.
Budo now a first choice for girls
By Dr Edward Kayondo
Twenty-seven years after Budo was founded ( 1906) twelve girls were admitted ( 1933) among them Hannah Wamala (Lule) a former first Lady making Budo the first co-educational Boarding school in Uganda. It is now 70 years since that historical event.
In November 1944 an old Girl of the school Catherine Senkatuuka (mother of Lawyer Allan Shonubi) became the first women to be admitted to Makerere College, the first women graduate in Uganda (Oxford University 1956) Sarah Ntiro came from Budo., in 1958 there were 22 girls , 100 in 1970 and 300 + today.
However for most parents Budo was perceived to be a boys schools which was a second choice for girls who had failed to get into Gayaza, Namagunga and Nabisunsa. A few parents however ef. Katikkiro Nsibirwa, Hon Sam Kutesa have sent all their daughters to Budo.
Over the last few years the situation has changed. the gap between the cut off points has narrowed to 5 (boys) and 6 girls) down down from 5 to 9 respectively. At ‘A’ level the cut off points are 15 (boys) 17 Girls ) down from 15 to 20 respectively. More interesting perhaps is that the cut off points for girls at Budo is now the same as that for Gayaza, Namagunga and Stiffer than those of almost all other girls schools.
The girls have now reached a critical mass (300, about 30% of population) they have passed the take off stage; performing as well and sometimes better than boys at both levels. (The best girls in UCE 2001 got 9 in the best 8 subjects.
This new found interest in Budo is fuelled by our products who are acting as role models Justice Julia Ssebutinde, Justice Leticia Kikonyogo, Hon, Gladys Wambuzi, Mrs Male (HM Gayaza) Late Hon. Betty Okwir, PS Kisakye, Mrs Joy Maraka ( Rector Greenhill ) Hon Winnie Byanyima, etc.
The school has responded by enlarging the two girls dormitories (Sabaganzi and Grace) introducing a vastarry of Games for girls cricket, Hockey, Basketball etc and generally paying more attention to girls.
A third dormitory to be named Catherine Senkatuka in memory of the first women to join Makerere College is being talked about.
The stake holders in the school are baffled by this new phenomenon and have not decided on how to proceed. The Headmaster receives up to 2000 applications for 120 places in Senior one and 1000 applications for 80 places in Senior 5. Forty percent of which are girls applications.
The board of Governors is of the view that the present 1000 students 30% of who are girls should be the maximum.
Some old timers think that 30% girls population is too high and should be reduced.
I am of the view that may be we should expand more targeting a 50% population for girls, bearing in mind that the great contribution the girls have made in moderating the behaviour of the boys and their superb. Academic performance.
The writer is the Mobiliser for the Old Budonians Club.
Published on: Monday, 24th March, 2003
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From: aiee Sent: 3/24/2003 4:49 AM
i agree with Keisha...i was saddened to read of some characters justifying
them actions! i can't evn believe it was raised on this website!
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From: Gali Sent: 3/24/2003 9:02 PM
Medi, there are no 16 year olds fighting in the war. Otandisse okuleeta m'olwaali. Please justify your claims because many people might get mislead by your swaying statements
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Aiee, I do understand your sentiments and where you are coming from, but I am afraid I have to disagree with you when you say that you do not believe that this topic was even brought up. If we do not talk about the controversial issues, they will forever eat us up and cause a divide. Therefore when these touchy issues (which are usually the more interesting ones by the way) are brought up, let us share our differing ideologies because believe me, not all of us can ever have the same opinions on an issue. But that is the whole point of educations, learning to agree by disagreeing.
Now guys, I think we are losing track here of the kellen via this topic. The topic was why Budonian boys chuck for girls and Medi you are talking about the war in Iraq. How about we start a new discussion if your point has a new agenda to it.
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From: da-pain Sent: 3/25/2003 5:46 AM
Medi, are you alright???? seriously are you okay???? do you know what you are talking about?????? kyoka Mediiiiiiiiiiiii!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.
Banange, the gal/boy thing in Budo IS NOT HATRED it is just growing up, or if you dont agree' call it whatever you want to, but the reality is, these same gals/boys, we used to chuck for and used to chuck for us in return, turn out to be our closest buddies later on in life, so let us not make it a big issue or even try to score points using this avenue, I hear, "I was always angered by boys chucking for gals, ha ha ha, you are the winner my don!!! " what do you mean comrade, i thought we've all been there, done that and felt it, though it appears we now have an angel....am impressed Aiee''
Let us not have too much guts to change the Budo, coz those who go after us may not have a chance to experience the real Budo.
Gali, help me translate this one; "Ennume ekula bigwo"
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From: aiee Sent: 3/25/2003 7:00 AM
Ask yourself Gali!! how many girls are talking about this issue on this
site? we are the victimisers and not the victims, it would have been
balanced if the girls were up for it! it is a deep issue especially for the
girls and not just a topical issue for us to rant on about. i did wait for a
girl to say something and if you can read her message u can c that her tone
of speech was quite militant! As guys we don't "earn marks" from out looks.
But girls attract guys mainly by their looks! once u attack this weapon of
thiers u r killing them!! it is a different ball game and once u don't have
sufficient ostrogen in you i don't think you have a right to talk about it!
have you ever seen girls fighting each other? they use words and words like
" u ugly cow!!" how many guys do u see fighting and they use words to do
with thier morphology? they use fists and anges! think about it
constructively! ur testostrone levels autimatically negate u from these
debates! the girls who throw punches have so much testostrone!!!
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From: Gali Sent: 3/25/2003 11:02 PM
Before I even read Medi's response, I shall respond to you Aiee. Naye mwami ayee..kiki ddala? no..really..kiki ddala?
Okay, at first I was really scared that maybe I was offending some girls by debating on this issue. So I did some research which I encourage you to do to. I took a survey of the last discussions that had more than 5 replies to see the girls that participated. Guess what, the only gals that have replied (twice at most) to any discussions this year have been Emily, Ixela, Ksk, Lynn and Keisha. Therefore, that reason which you gave mbu the girls are not discussing therefore it means they are offended by it is not valid enough..atleast not statistically. That means that the girls are offended by all discussions because the general response is the same to all messages. But then again, I might be wrong.
I shall use the analogy of the current ongoing war here. Many people are against the whole idea of war, just like many people were against the whole idea of boys chucking for gals, but intellectual discussions about both issues are really helpful for us to bring out our differing views on this one issue and learn from each other. You do not have to agree with whatever is posted, and not every posting here is completely true.
So guys, like Da-pain stressed at the very very beginning of this discussion board....FUN and HUMOR is number one. We never take anything personal on this site. Go back to the first postings and you shall be horrified at how guys were massacred on the site ( I mean serious chucking here). Therefore people, do not take chucks on the board to heart. Liven up and do not get depressed over these past issues.
I could go on forever, but lemme control my rumbling tongue for once. But Aiee, kiki ddala? Kirabika wetagayo laapu emu ku kasozi kaBombo.
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From: aiee Sent: 3/26/2003 8:57 AM
i m sorry to say this but i actually only read the emails that get to my
box! i think i haven't been getting some of the girls' emails! however i
maintain my stand! katabo is on my case otherwise!
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From: Mark Sent: 3/27/2003 9:02 AM
Too late Medi.It's been done already!
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From: Kezi Sent: 3/27/2003 11:04 PM
My dear fellow O.B's.
We are born to make manifest the glory of God that is in ALL of us.
The truth is that as Budo girls, stunning or not we all knew that we are fine just the way we are.Perfect in our imperfection. DIVINE!
'I am the light of the raising sun
A premonition of things to come
I am the jubilee
Of victory won'.
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From: Elison Sent: 3/28/2003 10:18 AM
Amen!
Kezi well said. brilliant. Indeed we r all "fearfully and wonderfully made"! brilliant!
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