| From: da-pain | Sent: 5/1/2002 1:28 PM |
Yet for a boy, i think i would book his place while he is still in primary four, i do not know why, but am thinking of reasons why, meanwhile would you???
| From: Emily | Sent: 5/1/2002 4:39 PM |
I really do wonder why you feel the way you do. Can anyone elaborate?
You aren't alone in that thinking, I know of several people who would not. My mother's friends had the same objections before I joined the school and having been there for 5 years, I think it is the most wholesome experience I've ever had and I would not trade it for anything. I doubt that most of the females that have been to Budo have strong ill-feelings towards their experience there,.....
I think you feel the way you do based on your perceptions of what it's like to be a girl at Budo,... and I'm sure a lot of it is not what you think it is. Of course each experience is subjective but I would say that on the whole, we're glad we were there, and would send our daughters too.
| From: BALA | Sent: 5/3/2002 10:01 PM |
Being a guy, it is kinda hard for me to look at life at the hil from a girls perspective. Perhaps the girls could shed some more light on this. For some reason whenever I think about Budo girls, the term "pocketing" comes to my mind. In my opinion the life of girls in Budo revolved around pocketing and being pocketed... (correct me if I am wrong). I remember girls who boycotted mess food for entire terms!!!! On the other hand.... girls from places like gungas seemed too studious, where as those at Gayaza were too shy.
But as Emily said, I do not think I would trade my budo experience for anything. So would I take my daughter to Budo? Deriving from my experience as a guy, I think I would!
| From: da-pain | Sent: 5/5/2002 9:47 PM |
We all cherish those moments we shared at the hill. And no way, can i dare to trade that, my dear treasure.
From a bulls' view, I noticed gals had to inevitably haha mob while on the hill;
eat alittle more-yo a bender!!!!!! U R not that appealing-yo a leop!!! etc. and worse still, effort was made to let the concerned parties know of these deductions. [and somehow we the boys always went away with it ]
yo late for mess, roll call, run around the quads even when you are from gaster, i mean thinking about it, if an average student in Budo had a 16hrs, atleast, the gals had an approximately diminshed 13hrs, owing to the fact that, they were inappropriately far-housed, and also had to meet other feminine obligations[ that for some truthfully], whereas the lads could well ignore some of theirs. I kinda thought gals found it hard honestly and i reckon i would give it a serious second thought before taking her to the hill. i do not know though!!!
| From: Kafrika... Ivo. | Sent: 5/6/2002 5:53 PM |
Fellow Budonians, this is my first time to post a message here. I was prompted by Bala's remarks, I had to remember some things. Kati u listen, this is why my daughter wouldn't go to the Hill. In my Budo days, which didn't last as long as they should have, I thought our babes were suffering mob. Ba guy, remember those walks from Gaster and Grace: Our babes must have grown "katumbwes" from those walks. They had to wake up at like 5 am, do house work, shower and all that, and then they had to be in Mess by breakfast time. Mess was compulsory, so they had to do it everyday. During break time, they had to chill in classes coz time wasn't enough for them to go down and then back to class in time, unless they had Frees. Kati then it comes evening, they have to go back for games time or whatever, then shower and be in Mess by dinner. And then preps, ha ha, gwe that wasn't sexy. They had to walk back to girls' end at night. It must have been gruesome. And remember those days of Sembatya as Ghanaian prefect, when he would assure the whole shule to be in Mess at 4.am! Then we had the games prefects who would book them for crossing the pitches. Eh, those are some mean things to our babes. And then in my S.2 and S.3, we used to go for school functions like Conferences and Tourna. Ha, Tourna was nice. And we would disrespect them and turn to Giza girls. and bytheway Bala, I don't know about your Ol'school days, but in mine, Giza girls were not shy or studious. Anyway, basically, I wouldn't take my daughter to the Hill. But that's just my opinion. Aiight, i'm out now.
man
I never really thought about what girls on the hill really go thru ..eh but
coming to think of it...it was not funny. Well I guess God was wise when he
made us guys...free to breach all sorts of small laws that girls
couldnt..say for example the 'monday law'. but now that I recall, it is
however possible that some females likewise obeyed the monday law.
naaaahhh...I dont think Id take my daughter there...but my son on the other
hand....he might not be so lucky as to survive even Budo nursery or whatever
that preskool was behind mr. muwanga's place( the uniform guy)
solo
| From: Solo | Sent: 5/6/2002 11:36 PM |
I never really thought about what girls on the hill really go thru ..eh but
coming to think of it...it was not funny. Well I guess God was wise when he
made us guys...free to breach all sorts of small laws that girls
couldnt..say for example the 'monday law'. but now that I recall, it is
however possible that some females likewise obeyed the monday law.
naaaahhh...I dont think Id take my daughter there...but my son on the other
hand....he might not be so lucky as to survive even Budo nursery or whatever
that preskool was behind mr. muwanga's place( the uniform guy)
solo
| From: Emily | Sent: 5/8/2002 10:38 AM |
I'm finding it hard to understand why the majority of the people unwilling to send their daughters to Budo are male! The things you are mentioning are based on your perceptions of what it is/was like to be a girl at Budo, but not on actual testimony. Unfortunately, the females of the community are letting me down by not offering their opinions, but like Kitami and I said,.. we wouldn't trade in our days at Budo for anything!!!!!
I never thought once while I was there that walking from girls' end to the main school campus, that it was a major chore! A five minutes walk wouldn't kill you,.. if anything, being so far away from class meant that you got more organised and managed your time better! There was a canteen at the boys end that the girls could have used, and whether or not it was busy,.. you always found a way,... get a boy to do it for you, or get the guys at the canteen to be sympathetic with you! Survival of the fittest! You just had to be smart,... none of that was difficult! If the canteen wasn't for you,.. bring your break up with you,.... still a problem,... have a smart mouth,.. make sure you have something to say to the prefect or teacher that you're bound to irk by showing up late!
Does any of this strike you as being difficult? As someone mentioned, the situation only served to strenghten girls, mentally. What the girls have to realise is that many times, they're behind in the race, and they've got to find the most effective way to catch up!
I'd love for my daughter to develop those skills,.. Budo is hard, sure. But if it doesn't break you, it makes you. At least a bit of you!
| From: BALA | Sent: 5/9/2002 2:54 AM |
I must confess that I only discovered that Budo was a mixed school after I reported for the first day of my S1, despite the fact that I had been aiming for Budo right from p2C. Another interesting fact was that during my entire S1, we were luck by a girl!
So, Emily, you call it "survival for the fittest", I call it overkill. Under the umbrella of "weakness," crafty women can not only maximize on profits but can also reap where they have not necessarily sown, most especially if they have the required looks. Meanwhile, there is still courage to advocate for women emancipation. If this is not overkill, I do not know what it is!
Meanwhile if you are a guy and you get grabbed like late or crossing the field, your reasons might count but only after finishing your poter.
I vividly remember a time this pref. (Haji) nabed me and a few of my honorable England comrades just a few seconds late for Sunday morning roll call. After about 6 minutes of waiting in suspence for our sentence, this chick approaches us from girl'd end, not bothered at all that she was late... to add insult to injury, she was all smiling and somehow laughing at us. Eh... for a while I thought she would neutralize our crime since Haji was obviously not immune to her pocketing spell.... But waaaaaa.... I watched in disbelief as Haji exchanged a few laughs with her and let her go, before selling us to Mbalu, without even a dewdrop of shame! We each ended up doing like 20 by 20! Anti you remember Mbalu's wholesale porter.
| From: Emily | Sent: 5/9/2002 8:18 PM |
Da-Pain,...
I would like to address your concerns bse I think that your opinion has taken me aback the most! I appreciate some of your insinuations, but I'd like to add that if at all there's any merit to them, that was not all that added to my experience as a girl at Budo. If anything, the sort of think that you mention only came about bse of the way the boys chose to react to it. I in turn would not turn down an offer from 'Bichetero', to push through the crowds for me. And just for the record, I pushed through the crowds enough to appreciate th entire ordeal!
If you are saying that guys would rather help out some girls and not others, then surely that is a failing on your part! I don't think you need to look out for 'Catherine Zeta Jones' before you can offer to help 'Ginger Spice'. You should be able to find it within yourself to aid everyone equally, if at all! Perhaps this all sounds naive, but I would like to assure you that that is not the case. There might be some merit to what you say but that is not all of it. Like I mentioned, time management, and a willingness to face the repercussions if at all you are late! I did my share of potter, running round the quads, extra community work, name it! I suffered my share of tyranny under Sembatya, DJ, and even the boys in my year who chose to be childish about certain things!
If you can use your mind, you're fit enough as far as I'm concerned,... the rest doesn't reallly matter. If you are insinuating that there is any use of feminimity to 'woo' our way through Budo's hardships, then you truely underestimate my, and the other girls' abilities.
| From: Euree' | Sent: 5/9/2002 11:16 PM |
hi everyone, sorry for not being intouch but i just found out how to get the hang of this msn thing, and so far this is all quite interesting...............
well, being one of the fortunate gals to pass thru Budo, i will gladly stand up and defend my fellow gals like emily.....
guys, you really think it was quite a hussel???of course for some people it was while others seemed to find it easy........
i believe u can not overlook the gals who found Buddo a walk over. u shouldn't blame Emily for finding it quite simple, i mean if the guys were out there to help and get on their knees for her, why not take advantage of the situation and for those of us who i may say were too shy or maybe not ready to deal with the opposite sex still found it quite a walk over.
there are definately negative and positive thoughts about the whole thing.....
i was in Budo from S1 to S6 and believe me if i couldn't stand it, i surely wouldn't have gone all the way.
the first year was definately the worst, but when you get used to living with boys you learn them inside out.....i mean nobody can step on your head...u didn't have to talk to them if you didn't want to and besides what you don't hear doesn't hurt....
i know the majority of males who passed thru Budo wouldn't take their daughters to Budo and this is coz most of you guys are still sexist.
i mean you would not believe a gal would do anything better than a guy......you always believed gals came second......but some of us just put it behind us and tried to move on..... by the way i am talking for the likes of Nakamya and Nakabonge.......i mean nobody is perfect in this world, besides the way you view those gals dapain is the same way some of the gals viewed you...i mean in my eyes i don't rememeber seeing anyone so perfect among the guys.....so dapain i think that was very disrespectful of you to say such a thing.....i am apalled and shocked by the way your handling this thing, i mean its not looks that make life simple in budo....besides even the sunshines of the school didn't have it as easy as u think they did.....
personally i thank God for Budo up to this day. i mean it has taught some of us to stand and face people like dapain who think so low of women.
if you think the walks thru the woods were hard, well personally i believe after a week or two you get used to it and everything seems to be quite easy.
and the walking thru mutessa/Ghana or may i say Nigeria gave most of us some confidence in ourselves be it short, tall, dark, light skined, bla bla bla........we all made it through.
anyway the things that i hated were the fact that the gals end common rooms had terrible lighting making it hard for us to read, and when power went off we weren't priveledged like the boys who had a generator untill my S.4.
anyway, with what i went thru, i am definately ready to send my daughter thru it because i wouldn't have been what i am today.....thanx to Budo...i personally can't trade my experience in Budo for anything,......just like kitami and emily said.
| From: Pote | Sent: 5/10/2002 3:43 AM |
Hi Emily and Euree,
I appreciate the fact that you gals believe you had a great time......... brilliant! But both of you should remember the stuff you used to tell me. (I won't sell)
What da-pain is saying is true (although you gals won't admit, as usual).
I, on the other hand, will take my daughter to Budo coz she will be a very bright gal, she will be a babe (unlike da-pain's daughter), and she will be strong charactered (just like me).
You know, thinking about the whole issue, all a gal needed was to be strong charactered and she would have a great time.
| From: Elison | Sent: 5/10/2002 12:18 PM |
pote
the gals who are "strong characted" (especially those like u) wouldnot manage budo even 4 a day. take that one 2 taibah or namugongo.
u all
wd i take my lovely daughter 2 budo? well why not?(i wdnt take her 2 kabinja though!) i think a place is wat u make it. it was not bad 2 be a gal in budo. some did excel in many areas...in sports, in books, in looks. some had their high moments in music and drama, others in local school politics and others in "dark corners"...just like many lads. the sexist remarks the nagundis got from the segundis r not peculiar 2 budo. unless your daughter lives in mars she will still have 2 face those remarks. & while i can see where dapain is coming from i agree that budo is not and never was abt looks. & even if it were one mans "Zeeta Jones" is another mans "Whoopi Goldberg"...and the reverse is true. perhaps emily was segundis "zeeta jones" while at the same time she was another segundis "whoopi goldberg"(2 Emily & 2 Whoopi-no offence). but if i took her 2 budo i wd 1st inisit that they renovate gaster. eh the place looked like a cave. & when my son goes 2 budo i will make sure he doesnot go 2 ghana or muteesa(those houses wd be obsolete by then anyway)
wwwwwaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhoooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
that was proding to the eye!!! trust me, you chaps charged at me like bees, I should say, thanks to Eureka and all, I appreciate your correction, i should not have referred to anyone by name, that was impolite and I am actually very sorry to all the affected parties !! A thousand apologies to all!! BUT NEXT TIME, EUREKA, DON'T TAKE LONG TO WRITE, YEAH????
Meanwhile, I still feel i have a point. I kinda think some people found it easy out there because of a few strings here and there and surely, some others found themselves more or less on the edge. I mean, like Eureka said, I KNOW AM A LEOP, and because of that, i have second thoughts before undertaking some ventures, otherwise i am glad, I KNOW I AM 100% LEOP and like to me, it does not hurt, i mean it is normal life, [u know] may be because i have been told I am so much often that am now used to it.
Elison, it could have been about looks once in a big blue moon, but not always, I never ment it was 24 *7!! I would not wish to find myself on the deep end once again, but I still know of them ladies that got away with much yet they and I were in the same brackets. It was all about being someone up there, yes it could have been a boy thing too, but atleast boys were consoled with some kind of biased quorum round and about. I kinda think it hit harder the other end of the green sea.
I am sure, I said some people "WERE" sunshines of them days, I know this dawned hard on many and am sorry if it hurt, but the fact still stands, "WERE" and it is no crime if THEY AREN'T NO MORE!!!! [which is most probable]. I mean seasons come and seasons go, never know even the people someone defended are the "today's celebs" much as i still uphold my apology to all.
I wish to "USE MY MIND" [as i was advised] to insist, many of the honourable members were great beneficiaries of the "small nagalabi showbiz world". I at the same time understand some others were torn and broken and this was unfair. Is it inhuman for me to think, one man's meat is another man's poison, already one honourable member of this club, [a lady] has confessed, Budo was in a way tough for a lady much as it helped build a woman, I mean, is it unrealistic to think there are cheaper ways to design breaderwinners than the hardest of ways? If someone has grown up deprived and somehow they land a jackpot in life, does it mean they should deny their children somethings so the children can also go through what the parent went through?? I would wish an easy life for my children much as i want them to be strong men and women of the age!!
I still reckon i would have to reconsider sending my daughter to Budo much as I maintain an open mind. I nevertheless appreciate everyone's contribution!!
NB: Now U Pote, you and I are men that have lived to inevitably watch our "miserable HEIGHTS, is it because of this, that you have chosen to grow wings and HORNS
| From: da-pain | Sent: 5/10/2002 7:03 PM |
that was proding to the eye!!! trust me, you chaps charged at me like bees, I should say, thanks to Eureka and all, I appreciate your correction, i should not have referred to anyone by name, that was impolite and I am actually very sorry to all the affected parties !! A thousand apologies to all!! BUT NEXT TIME, EUREKA, DON'T TAKE LONG TO WRITE, YEAH????
Meanwhile, I still feel i have a point. I kinda think some people found it easy out there because of a few strings here and there and surely, some others found themselves more or less on the edge. I mean, like Eureka said, I KNOW AM A LEOP, and because of that, i have second thoughts before undertaking some ventures, otherwise i am glad, I KNOW I AM 100% LEOP and like to me, it does not hurt, i mean it is normal life, [u know] may be because i have been told I am so much often that am now used to it.
Elison, it could have been about looks once in a big blue moon, but not always, I never ment it was 24 *7!! I would not wish to find myself on the deep end once again, but I still know of them ladies that got away with much yet they and I were in the same brackets. It was all about being someone up there, yes it could have been a boy thing too, but atleast boys were consoled with some kind of biased quorum round and about. I kinda think it hit harder the other end of the green sea.
I am sure, I said some people "WERE" sunshines of them days, I know this dawned hard on many and am sorry if it hurt, but the fact still stands, "WERE" and it is no crime if THEY AREN'T NO MORE!!!! [which is most probable]. I mean seasons come and seasons go, never know even the people someone defended are the "today's celebs" much as i still uphold my apology to all.
I wish to "USE MY MIND" [as i was advised] to insist, many of the honourable members were great beneficiaries of the "small nagalabi showbiz world". I at the same time understand some others were torn and broken and this was unfair. Is it inhuman for me to think, one man's meat is another man's poison, already one honourable member of this club, [a lady] has confessed, Budo was in a way tough for a lady much as it helped build a woman, I mean, is it unrealistic to think there are cheaper ways to design breaderwinners than the hardest of ways? If someone has grown up deprived and somehow they land a jackpot in life, does it mean they should deny their children somethings so the children can also go through what the parent went through?? I would wish an easy life for my children much as i want them to be strong men and women of the age!!
I still reckon i would have to reconsider sending my daughter to Budo much as I maintain an open mind. I nevertheless appreciate everyone's contribution!!
NB: Now U Pote, you and I are men that have lived to inevitably watch our "miserable HEIGHTS, is it because of this, that you have chosen to grow wings and HORNS
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